Granger Smith's 3-year old dies in pool accident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2 funerals I've been to of drowning victims have been children (age 6 and 16) who were strong swimmers and with adults nearby. Both tragedies were considered freak accidents.

Unless you're the publicist or spokesperson for this family, you really should not speak as if you know anything. Because you don't.

In a pool? Or a natural body of water.

I have a hard time picturing a “strong swimmer” drowning in a pool absent a medical emergency.

Lifeguard and swimming instructor here. I could give you 50 reasons.
Wrong clothing, a suit that moved when they jumped in and constrained movement, hitting the water wrong, getting sucked into the drain and pinned there (look this up people, it is a big problem with residential pools that haven't been retrofitted with rounded drain covers) coughing from a minor irritation at the wrong moment, having a headcold, getting tangled in the hoses of pool equipment or a raft, etc...Pulking a child out and laying them on the back...They are endless. It has nothing to do with skill or ability, especially with a 3 yr old!

So frustrating, I have no tolerance for people who say the stuff that's being said on this thread...

I had to be rescued once when a rip tide carried me way out really fast, age 22. I am a super strong swimmer and had literally done a 3 mile open water timed test earlier in the week. But getting dragged out, I didn't realize how fast I was going until I realized I couldn't really see people on the shore, I was way, way, way out. The water got so cold so fast that my limbs didn't move the same way, and swimming at my hardest, I was still getting pulled out or at best swimming in place...the worst part of it was trying all of these things you are "supposed" to do, and none of them worked in that moment, and feeling the beginning of panic. Panic is the worst killer in water, and literally any small issue can trigger it...It can happen in three inches of water or a kiddie pool. it immobilized and is deadly silent.

I also have turned my back, for 2 seconds, on my own daughter to reach for a pool noodle and had her step forward into deeper water that covered her nose. She literally could have drowned within reach of me if I had been another foot or two away or distracted for another second. It's treacherous.

When you start drowning you generally do not realize what is happening. It's extremely calm.

Quoting so maybe the judgemental know it all asses can re-read.

[Anonymous]

I had to google him. Someone needs to burn that baseball cap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2 funerals I've been to of drowning victims have been children (age 6 and 16) who were strong swimmers and with adults nearby. Both tragedies were considered freak accidents.

Unless you're the publicist or spokesperson for this family, you really should not speak as if you know anything. Because you don't.

In a pool? Or a natural body of water.

I have a hard time picturing a “strong swimmer” drowning in a pool absent a medical emergency.

Drowning is a medical emergency, so no one drowns absent a medical emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2 funerals I've been to of drowning victims have been children (age 6 and 16) who were strong swimmers and with adults nearby. Both tragedies were considered freak accidents.

Unless you're the publicist or spokesperson for this family, you really should not speak as if you know anything. Because you don't.

In a pool? Or a natural body of water.

I have a hard time picturing a “strong swimmer” drowning in a pool absent a medical emergency.

Lifeguard and swimming instructor here. I could give you 50 reasons.
Wrong clothing, a suit that moved when they jumped in and constrained movement, hitting the water wrong, getting sucked into the drain and pinned there (look this up people, it is a big problem with residential pools that haven't been retrofitted with rounded drain covers) coughing from a minor irritation at the wrong moment, having a headcold, getting tangled in the hoses of pool equipment or a raft, etc...Pulking a child out and laying them on the back...They are endless. It has nothing to do with skill or ability, especially with a 3 yr old!

So frustrating, I have no tolerance for people who say the stuff that's being said on this thread...

I had to be rescued once when a rip tide carried me way out really fast, age 22. I am a super strong swimmer and had literally done a 3 mile open water timed test earlier in the week. But getting dragged out, I didn't realize how fast I was going until I realized I couldn't really see people on the shore, I was way, way, way out. The water got so cold so fast that my limbs didn't move the same way, and swimming at my hardest, I was still getting pulled out or at best swimming in place...the worst part of it was trying all of these things you are "supposed" to do, and none of them worked in that moment, and feeling the beginning of panic. Panic is the worst killer in water, and literally any small issue can trigger it...It can happen in three inches of water or a kiddie pool. it immobilized and is deadly silent.

I also have turned my back, for 2 seconds, on my own daughter to reach for a pool noodle and had her step forward into deeper water that covered her nose. She literally could have drowned within reach of me if I had been another foot or two away or distracted for another second. It's treacherous.

When you start drowning you generally do not realize what is happening. It's extremely calm.

Holy crap PP, how did you get rescued from the ripe tide?!?

And as for your daughter, yup. GET OFF YOUR PHONES PEOPLE.

[Anonymous]

This is why I wonder why people et swimming pools at all, or even more so, why they get them when they have young kids. I would never own a house with a pool, even though I could easily afford one.
I feel the same way about bathtubs. I removed all of our stoppers when my kids were young. They just took stand up baths. My niece almost drowned when a guest came to sleep over at their house. She filled the tub for herself then walked away to get something, leaving the bathroom door open. The toddler went in, climbed into the tub, and fell back. The guest came in the nick of time and swooped her out. They had to do CPR. She is OK today and has young ones now.

[Anonymous]

I have no idea who this guy is, but I can tell you that drowning accidents can - and do -happen under the craziest, and seemingly, the safest circumstances. I once witnessed a 3-year-old falling into the deep end of the pool in her Sunday best while surrounded by dozens of people, in broad daylight. It was a pool party, people were hanging out, standing, sitting, eating, drinking, and this little girl was just running around, and, for whatever reason, she didn't stop running having reached the end of the pool and just dove in. Vertically and silently.

When they got her out, I don't think she was even scared, but her mother was so rattled I think they left that party immediately. So I can totally picture a little child running unattended and falling into the pool while no one is looking. Ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t understand how this happens. I’m a nanny and work 12-16hrs a day and I’m always behind the kids like a helicopter. Whenever I see YouTube videos of kids covered in flour or painting on the walls, I don’t understand how that happens- unless you’re lazy and not following your kids around? I’ve been a nanny for 22 years and I’ve never had a broken bone or major fall or big mess, because I’m always supervising the kids. If I had my own, I’d be doing the same. It’s lazy parenting.

You get paid to follow kids around and watch them like a hawk. It's your JOB to not take your eyes off of your charges. Something happens to a kid in your care, you're fired and possibly deported. It sucks but the same doesn't hold true for parents. Parents are never OFF and occasionally eyes are taken off of children. My comment is not specific to pools and drownings but more so in response to your smug ass comments about not one child getting hurt in your care in 22 years. That is why you are paid; to make sure the children stay safe. You're not a surrogate parent. You're not a faux aunt. You're not a family member. You're like the person who runs the theme park ride; you make sure the riders are buckled in safely and hope for the best. I'm so sick of you smug nannies castigating parents and judging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t understand how this happens. I’m a nanny and work 12-16hrs a day and I’m always behind the kids like a helicopter. Whenever I see YouTube videos of kids covered in flour or painting on the walls, I don’t understand how that happens- unless you’re lazy and not following your kids around? I’ve been a nanny for 22 years and I’ve never had a broken bone or major fall or big mess, because I’m always supervising the kids. If I had my own, I’d be doing the same. It’s lazy parenting.

You get paid to follow kids around and watch them like a hawk. It's your JOB to not take your eyes off of your charges. Something happens to a kid in your care, you're fired and possibly deported. It sucks but the same doesn't hold true for parents. Parents are never OFF and occasionally eyes are taken off of children. My comment is not specific to pools and drownings but more so in response to your smug ass comments about not one child getting hurt in your care in 22 years. That is why you are paid; to make sure the children stay safe. You're not a surrogate parent. You're not a faux aunt. You're not a family member. You're like the person who runs the theme park ride; you make sure the riders are buckled in safely and hope for the best. I'm so sick of you smug nannies castigating parents and judging.

Everyone claims being a SAHM is a proper job though? The #1 responsibility then is to ensure the safety of the child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t understand how this happens. I’m a nanny and work 12-16hrs a day and I’m always behind the kids like a helicopter. Whenever I see YouTube videos of kids covered in flour or painting on the walls, I don’t understand how that happens- unless you’re lazy and not following your kids around? I’ve been a nanny for 22 years and I’ve never had a broken bone or major fall or big mess, because I’m always supervising the kids. If I had my own, I’d be doing the same. It’s lazy parenting.

You get paid to follow kids around and watch them like a hawk. It's your JOB to not take your eyes off of your charges. Something happens to a kid in your care, you're fired and possibly deported. It sucks but the same doesn't hold true for parents. Parents are never OFF and occasionally eyes are taken off of children. My comment is not specific to pools and drownings but more so in response to your smug ass comments about not one child getting hurt in your care in 22 years. That is why you are paid; to make sure the children stay safe. You're not a surrogate parent. You're not a faux aunt. You're not a family member. You're like the person who runs the theme park ride; you make sure the riders are buckled in safely and hope for the best. I'm so sick of you smug nannies castigating parents and judging.

Everyone claims being a SAHM is a proper job though? The #1 responsibility then is to ensure the safety of the child.

DP, but stop being obtuse. Nanny gets to check out after her shift. She gets weekends, vacations, sick time, and heck, a pay cheque. SAHPs don’t usually have any of those luxuries, and they are also usually “running” the rest of the household that a nanny is not doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2 funerals I've been to of drowning victims have been children (age 6 and 16) who were strong swimmers and with adults nearby. Both tragedies were considered freak accidents.

Unless you're the publicist or spokesperson for this family, you really should not speak as if you know anything. Because you don't.

In a pool? Or a natural body of water.

I have a hard time picturing a “strong swimmer” drowning in a pool absent a medical emergency.

Lifeguard and swimming instructor here. I could give you 50 reasons.
Wrong clothing, a suit that moved when they jumped in and constrained movement, hitting the water wrong, getting sucked into the drain and pinned there (look this up people, it is a big problem with residential pools that haven't been retrofitted with rounded drain covers) coughing from a minor irritation at the wrong moment, having a headcold, getting tangled in the hoses of pool equipment or a raft, etc...Pulking a child out and laying them on the back...They are endless. It has nothing to do with skill or ability, especially with a 3 yr old!

So frustrating, I have no tolerance for people who say the stuff that's being said on this thread...

I had to be rescued once when a rip tide carried me way out really fast, age 22. I am a super strong swimmer and had literally done a 3 mile open water timed test earlier in the week. But getting dragged out, I didn't realize how fast I was going until I realized I couldn't really see people on the shore, I was way, way, way out. The water got so cold so fast that my limbs didn't move the same way, and swimming at my hardest, I was still getting pulled out or at best swimming in place...the worst part of it was trying all of these things you are "supposed" to do, and none of them worked in that moment, and feeling the beginning of panic. Panic is the worst killer in water, and literally any small issue can trigger it...It can happen in three inches of water or a kiddie pool. it immobilized and is deadly silent.

I also have turned my back, for 2 seconds, on my own daughter to reach for a pool noodle and had her step forward into deeper water that covered her nose. She literally could have drowned within reach of me if I had been another foot or two away or distracted for another second. It's treacherous.

When you start drowning you generally do not realize what is happening. It's extremely calm.

Quoting so maybe the judgemental know it all asses can re-read.

Last summer, I watched a kid about 10 years old get pulled out by lifeguards. He was in shallow water that was not over his head, and his parents were right there in the water with him. I was amazed that the lifeguards caught what was happening when not even the people next to him did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2 funerals I've been to of drowning victims have been children (age 6 and 16) who were strong swimmers and with adults nearby. Both tragedies were considered freak accidents.

Unless you're the publicist or spokesperson for this family, you really should not speak as if you know anything. Because you don't.

In a pool? Or a natural body of water.

I have a hard time picturing a “strong swimmer” drowning in a pool absent a medical emergency.

Lifeguard and swimming instructor here. I could give you 50 reasons.
Wrong clothing, a suit that moved when they jumped in and constrained movement, hitting the water wrong, getting sucked into the drain and pinned there (look this up people, it is a big problem with residential pools that haven't been retrofitted with rounded drain covers) coughing from a minor irritation at the wrong moment, having a headcold, getting tangled in the hoses of pool equipment or a raft, etc...Pulking a child out and laying them on the back...They are endless. It has nothing to do with skill or ability, especially with a 3 yr old!

So frustrating, I have no tolerance for people who say the stuff that's being said on this thread...

I had to be rescued once when a rip tide carried me way out really fast, age 22. I am a super strong swimmer and had literally done a 3 mile open water timed test earlier in the week. But getting dragged out, I didn't realize how fast I was going until I realized I couldn't really see people on the shore, I was way, way, way out. The water got so cold so fast that my limbs didn't move the same way, and swimming at my hardest, I was still getting pulled out or at best swimming in place...the worst part of it was trying all of these things you are "supposed" to do, and none of them worked in that moment, and feeling the beginning of panic. Panic is the worst killer in water, and literally any small issue can trigger it...It can happen in three inches of water or a kiddie pool. it immobilized and is deadly silent.

I also have turned my back, for 2 seconds, on my own daughter to reach for a pool noodle and had her step forward into deeper water that covered her nose. She literally could have drowned within reach of me if I had been another foot or two away or distracted for another second. It's treacherous.

When you start drowning you generally do not realize what is happening. It's extremely calm.

Holy crap PP, how did you get rescued from the ripe tide?!?

And as for your daughter, yup. GET OFF YOUR PHONES PEOPLE.

Lifeguard came out. Inhadnt even waved to them, they probably knew what was happening better than I did. I don't even remember it clearly. I was probably close to passing out. I feel like they jet skied out to me, bc I remember trying to hang until they got there but not wanting to be more panicked by watching them come, trying to remain calm. I was very worried about sharks to the point where Inwas having a lot of trouble keeping my head on straight. I have zero memory of going into shore. I only remember that I could not speak for a few hours.

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Both parents were present.

Granger recalled that night, spending it with River and his older siblings, seven-year-old London and five-year-old Lincoln. "We were doing gymnastics in the yard and the boys were playing a water gun fight," Granger said in the video. "I remember thinking, I was looking at London, as she was doing gymnastics and I thought, 'Soak up this moment because it's not going to last forever.'"

But those prescient words don't haunt the singer, even as he said that "somewhere between 30 seconds and three minutes Amber and I are inside our pool gate doing CPR on our son." They were unable to revive their son, who passed away two days later in a hospital.

https://toofab.com/2019/06/19/granger-smith-amber-bartlett-river-kelly-death-tribute-youtube-video/

[Anonymous]

So based on that, maybe there was a tall toy next to the pool gate?

Or otherwise was able to get inside the gate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So based on that, maybe there was a tall toy next to the pool gate?

Or otherwise was able to get inside the gate?

I was reading that as the water gun fight was in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So based on that, maybe there was a tall toy next to the pool gate?

Or otherwise was able to get inside the gate?

I was reading that as the water gun fight was in the pool.

Maybe they were filling their water guns with water from the pool? I wish they would clarify what happened. How did he suddenly wind up inside of their fenced in pool? I can't imagine allowing a 3 and 5 year old to swim in the pool or play around the pool w/o being right there to watch them.

Regardless, I'm sad for this family.