Chernobyl on HBO

[Anonymous]

It was a nice touch to acknowledge that the female scientist's character was a fictionalized amalgam of all of the scientists who helped the lead character and not just make it seem like he was the sole savior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^Say what you will about Russians but they are a culture like that. They consistently put the needs of others before their own and display self sacrifice. They fought in battles even when the odds were bad (Stalingrad). Italians on the other hand surrender.

This is not ww2
Russians oppress minorities, always have. Russia is for Russians mentally.
The army conscripts from minority nation's like Latvia, Estonia were sent to help. They were not told where they were going, what was going on.
Within 3 years they were dead

I think it’s the collective mentality and repression of individualism rather than self sacrifice. Many were sacrificed by others higher up in the command chain for the “collective good”. For example, during WW2 hundreds of thousands armed with wooden sticks were sent against the nazi troops for diversion as part of the Dniepr battle. Here is another example: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/25083847.html in both, higher ups sacrificed the people. I think the Italians were smarter about it - if it was my son or brother or father, I very much would have preferred the Italian approach.

these are extremes, but the same attitude permeated to many other aspects of life, the individual does not count, the collective is what matters.

Considering the Nazi treatment of Soviet POWs - deliberate starvation, death marches and summary executions resulting in 3 million dead - I doubt you would prefer this outcome for any of your male relatives. Italians were smarter about it because they knew Europeans POWs were treated better and had a shot at survival. Soviet POWs were considered subhuman and not worth the calories. Why would they surrender, knowing this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^Say what you will about Russians but they are a culture like that. They consistently put the needs of others before their own and display self sacrifice. They fought in battles even when the odds were bad (Stalingrad). Italians on the other hand surrender.

This is not ww2
Russians oppress minorities, always have. Russia is for Russians mentally.
The army conscripts from minority nation's like Latvia, Estonia were sent to help. They were not told where they were going, what was going on.
Within 3 years they were dead

First, USSR sent all its conscripts to parts unknown without telling them very much. It didn't distinguish by ethnicity.

Second, for all your tales of oppression, ethnic minorities in Russia proper somehow fared much better than Russian minorities in ethnic former USSR states. I mean, if you were a Tajik living in Russia, you could have been called a name or two. But if you were a Russian living in Tajikistan, say, you could have been killed, raped or thrown out on the street without any recourse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was a nice touch to acknowledge that the female scientist's character was a fictionalized amalgam of all of the scientists who helped the lead character and not just make it seem like he was the sole savior.

+1

One of many things that made the final episode so moving.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jared Harris' character did a good job explaining the specifics of what happened in layman's terms. The little pieces of blue and red paper were effective without being too cheesy.

I love that they waited until the final episode to explain how the disaster happened. They could've easily showed it to us in the first episode, but I like the discovery process that they took us down on the last episode. It was the biggest payoff for me.

I agree. It also allowed us to see how they could’ve cut off the end of the story and hung the blame completely on the men in charge. But by walking through the design specifics allowed for the full specifics.

[Anonymous]

The men on trail, the men in charge that night, did they just not really understand the science at all?
Yes, the rbmk reactors had a fatal flaw, but those men didn’t seem to have a handle on the science. Not at all. What were their qualifications?

[Anonymous]

For months after the accident, Russia sold milk from cows in the area to 3rd world countries, like Nepal, on the cheap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The men on trail, the men in charge that night, did they just not really understand the science at all?
Yes, the rbmk reactors had a fatal flaw, but those men didn’t seem to have a handle on the science. Not at all. What were their qualifications?

+1

I kept saying that during almost the entire series.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The men on trail, the men in charge that night, did they just not really understand the science at all?
Yes, the rbmk reactors had a fatal flaw, but those men didn’t seem to have a handle on the science. Not at all. What were their qualifications?

+1

I kept saying that during almost the entire series.

I think that was the point- they did not know about the graphite tips because it was kept secret. I think they also didn't have enough education and training either, but no one knew about the fatal flaw. Even those that did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^Say what you will about Russians but they are a culture like that. They consistently put the needs of others before their own and display self sacrifice. They fought in battles even when the odds were bad (Stalingrad). Italians on the other hand surrender.

This is not ww2
Russians oppress minorities, always have. Russia is for Russians mentally.
The army conscripts from minority nation's like Latvia, Estonia were sent to help. They were not told where they were going, what was going on.
Within 3 years they were dead

First, USSR sent all its conscripts to parts unknown without telling them very much. It didn't distinguish by ethnicity.

Second, for all your tales of oppression, ethnic minorities in Russia proper somehow fared much better than Russian minorities in ethnic former USSR states. I mean, if you were a Tajik living in Russia, you could have been called a name or two. But if you were a Russian living in Tajikistan, say, you could have been killed, raped or thrown out on the street without any recourse.

DP. Puh-lease. The Russian apologist is back! Russians have always discriminated against non-Russians. After being top dog for so long, Russians in the former republics were no longer untouchable. But, of course, crime everywhere was problematic no matter your nationality/ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

Apparently Russia hates the miniseries so much they're making their own version blaming American spies for tampering with the reactor

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424/amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^Say what you will about Russians but they are a culture like that. They consistently put the needs of others before their own and display self sacrifice. They fought in battles even when the odds were bad (Stalingrad). Italians on the other hand surrender.

This is not ww2
Russians oppress minorities, always have. Russia is for Russians mentally.
The army conscripts from minority nation's like Latvia, Estonia were sent to help. They were not told where they were going, what was going on.
Within 3 years they were dead

First, USSR sent all its conscripts to parts unknown without telling them very much. It didn't distinguish by ethnicity.

Second, for all your tales of oppression, ethnic minorities in Russia proper somehow fared much better than Russian minorities in ethnic former USSR states. I mean, if you were a Tajik living in Russia, you could have been called a name or two. But if you were a Russian living in Tajikistan, say, you could have been killed, raped or thrown out on the street without any recourse.

DP. Puh-lease. The Russian apologist is back! Russians have always discriminated against non-Russians. After being top dog for so long, Russians in the former republics were no longer untouchable. But, of course, crime everywhere was problematic no matter your nationality/ethnicity.

Russians have never been top dogs in the former republics. They have never been untouchable there either, I see you are completely uninformed on what it was like to be a Russian resident of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan or even Georgia in the USSR, let alone later.

There is crime everywhere but there is a difference between regular crime and, say, getting your head cut off or getting thrown out of your apartment and told to leave the city in 24 hours or getting kidnapped and murdered because you refused to step down from your post. But maybe to you, victims only count if they belong to the right group. That happens, your attitude isn't really uncommon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^Say what you will about Russians but they are a culture like that. They consistently put the needs of others before their own and display self sacrifice. They fought in battles even when the odds were bad (Stalingrad). Italians on the other hand surrender.

This is not ww2
Russians oppress minorities, always have. Russia is for Russians mentally.
The army conscripts from minority nation's like Latvia, Estonia were sent to help. They were not told where they were going, what was going on.
Within 3 years they were dead

First, USSR sent all its conscripts to parts unknown without telling them very much. It didn't distinguish by ethnicity.

Second, for all your tales of oppression, ethnic minorities in Russia proper somehow fared much better than Russian minorities in ethnic former USSR states. I mean, if you were a Tajik living in Russia, you could have been called a name or two. But if you were a Russian living in Tajikistan, say, you could have been killed, raped or thrown out on the street without any recourse.

DP. Puh-lease. The Russian apologist is back! Russians have always discriminated against non-Russians. After being top dog for so long, Russians in the former republics were no longer untouchable. But, of course, crime everywhere was problematic no matter your nationality/ethnicity.

Russians have never been top dogs in the former republics. They have never been untouchable there either, I see you are completely uninformed on what it was like to be a Russian resident of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan or even Georgia in the USSR, let alone later.

There is crime everywhere but there is a difference between regular crime and, say, getting your head cut off or getting thrown out of your apartment and told to leave the city in 24 hours or getting kidnapped and murdered because you refused to step down from your post. But maybe to you, victims only count if they belong to the right group. That happens, your attitude isn't really uncommon.

I can confirm this. Russians are only safe in Belarus. The attitude towards the Russians is the same as to the whites in the US - they are the scapegoat to blame for all that went wrong.

I know a guy whose family lost everything after the USSR collapse, and had no money to feed the children. They moved to Kazakhsatan in the early 90s, and sent the older son, my friend, to an orphanage there. He and one other boy were the only Russians there. They were beaten every day, bullied, and harassed by the Kazakh boys. After two years in the orphanage, the parents finally picked him up, and they moved to Siberia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Russia hates the miniseries so much they're making their own version blaming American spies for tampering with the reactor

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424/amp

Not smart. Russia should make a movie called Katrina or Flint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Russia hates the miniseries so much they're making their own version blaming American spies for tampering with the reactor

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424/amp

Not smart. Russia should make a movie called Katrina or Flint.

Yes way to steal the first comments under the article. How very clever of you!