Dispute regarding trash cans for alley pick-up in DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

OMG!!
So it is a bunch of people who want to put their bins in his property???
AWWWWW
HELLLLLLLLL NAHHHHH
Until you dropped this little bombshell I understood new neighbor’s stance but I would probably let you do it,if it were me,
BUT every damn body??????
HELLLLLLLLLLL
TO
THE NAHHHHH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

Good will my a**. He’s not obligated, morally or otherwise, to let you put your cans on his property. How many posters have to tell you that before it gets through your thick skull??

Doing something you are "obligated" to do doesn't create any goodwill.

Allowing something that you don't have to because it makes life easier on everyone (yourself included, because trash cans aren't in the alley) *does* create goodwill.

Putting the kibosh on an arrangement that has been in place for years that has little to no impact on you simply because "it's my property, so there" actively removes goodwill.

DP, so he is obligated to continue and abide by an agreement he was not part of creating or ok’ing?
How do you know what he wants to do with his five blades of grass ?
YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!
IT IS HIS AREA, he is not a jerk or bad neighbor for not wanting your cannon his yard.
Geez I bet you think your dog can per and poop there too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

Good will my a**. He’s not obligated, morally or otherwise, to let you put your cans on his property. How many posters have to tell you that before it gets through your thick skull??

Doing something you are "obligated" to do doesn't create any goodwill.

Allowing something that you don't have to because it makes life easier on everyone (yourself included, because trash cans aren't in the alley) *does* create goodwill.

Putting the kibosh on an arrangement that has been in place for years that has little to no impact on you simply because "it's my property, so there" actively removes goodwill.

DP, so he is obligated to continue and abide by an agreement he was not part of creating or ok’ing?
How do you know what he wants to do with his five blades of grass ?
YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!
IT IS HIS AREA, he is not a jerk or bad neighbor for not wanting your cannon his yard.
Geez I bet you think your dog can per and poop there too?

Can you point out where I said he was obligated? I'll wait . . .

OK, enough waiting. No one has said he's obligated. My point was entirely about creating, or eliminating goodwill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

OMG!!
So it is a bunch of people who want to put their bins in his property???
AWWWWW
HELLLLLLLLL NAHHHHH
Until you dropped this little bombshell I understood new neighbor’s stance but I would probably let you do it,if it were me,
BUT every damn body??????
HELLLLLLLLLLL
TO
THE NAHHHHH

Are you going for illiterate moron with this writing style, or was that just an accident?

[Anonymous]

Sounds like we have a similar set up but we do have a gate. We open the gate and leave the cans right inside, but when the trash collectors come they leave them in the alley after they're emptied. We have a neighbor that complains that the alley is blocked but won't let us put the cans on his side of the alley where there's no gate/fence so the bins don't block the alley after they're put back after emptying. For him the worst part is that the next person down the alley shoves the cans to his side anyway so they can get by. I can't control that (though he seems to think I can) but I move them as soon as I get home. I guess my point is even a gate might not solve the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

OMG!!
So it is a bunch of people who want to put their bins in his property???
AWWWWW
HELLLLLLLLL NAHHHHH
Until you dropped this little bombshell I understood new neighbor’s stance but I would probably let you do it,if it were me,
BUT every damn body??????
HELLLLLLLLLLL
TO
THE NAHHHHH

Are you going for illiterate moron with this writing style, or was that just an accident?

If you cannot understand it, I guess that makes you the moron, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

Good will my a**. He’s not obligated, morally or otherwise, to let you put your cans on his property. How many posters have to tell you that before it gets through your thick skull??

Doing something you are "obligated" to do doesn't create any goodwill.

Allowing something that you don't have to because it makes life easier on everyone (yourself included, because trash cans aren't in the alley) *does* create goodwill.

Putting the kibosh on an arrangement that has been in place for years that has little to no impact on you simply because "it's my property, so there" actively removes goodwill.

DP, so he is obligated to continue and abide by an agreement he was not part of creating or ok’ing?
How do you know what he wants to do with his five blades of grass ?
YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!
IT IS HIS AREA, he is not a jerk or bad neighbor for not wanting your cannon his yard.
Geez I bet you think your dog can per and poop there too?

Can you point out where I said he was obligated? I'll wait . . .

OK, enough waiting. No one has said he's obligated. My point was entirely about creating, or eliminating goodwill.

The obligation is implied, inferred , alluded to genius.
You are,in effect, saying that in order to engender goodwill he has to use his property as per an agreement that pre-dated his ownership, his agreement, his inclusion and his ok. So bend to your will or he is persona non grata!!
HTFOH!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

OMG!!
So it is a bunch of people who want to put their bins in his property???
AWWWWW
HELLLLLLLLL NAHHHHH
Until you dropped this little bombshell I understood new neighbor’s stance but I would probably let you do it,if it were me,
BUT every damn body??????
HELLLLLLLLLLL
TO
THE NAHHHHH

Are you going for illiterate moron with this writing style, or was that just an accident?

If you cannot understand it, I guess that makes you the moron, huh?

That's not how this works.

[Anonymous]

You don’t need to affect the neighboring two sides of your fence. Just relocate the back alley side fence further onto your property at a depth that would hold the trash cans. I’ve seen this done many times and it’s the best solution for all.

[Anonymous]

You can alter your fence to put in a gate and leave the gate open or move the back fence section about 5 feet in. You don't want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can alter your fence to put in a gate and leave the gate open or move the back fence section about 5 feet in. You don't want to.

Ding ding ding! You probably don't want to become the host for all your neighbor's cans...

[Anonymous]

Just neatly place your cans outside your gate and let the trash collectors deal with it. Let the neighbor fence his little strip in if he's so paranoid about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

Hold on: how do you get your trash into your garbage cans if you can't access the alley from your backyard?

[Anonymous]

Are you certain the strip of grass is on his property?
Are you sure?
Could it not be an easement?
Was the property surveyed?
Does the neighbor have a fence at all?
I’m trying to picture the scenario.
Is this strip of grass behind his fence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is the most entertaining thread ever, with nuggets of very helpful insights. Thanks, DCUM forum. The odd thing is we had no idea this new neighbor existed until months after he moved in, and the previous resident didn't mind us leaving them there. We didn't know there was a new occupant in that house.

We can't modify the fence because--and this is tough to explain in text--the sides and back of the fence are indeed shared with two other houses. The fence predates our arrival. If the three of us had the cash, maybe we'd collectively tear it down and start over. We all are affected by this new neighbor's position (it's not just our trash cans). He has his property deed on his side, and none of us dispute that. As for generating the good will of his new neighbors, well, that's another story...

Hold on: how do you get your trash into your garbage cans if you can't access the alley from your backyard?

By this, it sounds like multiple neighbors put their trash cans twice a week (probably all day) in the other neighbors yard. I'd be pissed to. Each neighbor needs to fix their fence with a gate or move it in enough to have room for the trashcans. Simple. Its not that expensive and you could DIY.