Is this residency fraud?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, nothing is keeping you from moving IB for the school you want and having your mom live nearby. Nothing is keeping you from sending your kid to school in Shaw and buying a place for your mother to live near you.

But if you do what you're planning to do I hope someone reports it and your child is disenrolled from the WoTP school.

Not happening. Somebody could report OP but her child won't be disenrolled if she can produce extra residency docs within a few days.

OSSE goes at low-hanging fruit, e.g. PG County address cheaters, not a DC resident like OP with a strong legal case. Even if OSSE was to do a home visit, which they almost never do for DC residents, OP could bring extra toys and kids clothes over to mom's for an investigator to photograph and things would be fine.

Maybe. But OP does not actually have a strong legal case FYI.

I'm a lawyer (USG, 20 years) and DCPS parent who disagrees. I've taken a hard look at DC laws on school residency and domicile, and minor changes to them, over the last four or five years. It's clear to me that if OP acquires both appropriate residency and domicile documents in the address of her condo before enrolling her child in a DCPS program, and the unit remains in the hands of nuclear family members (both as owners and occupants) while her child attends DC public schools, I see a strong legal case, if not an airtight one.

Are you a Michael Cohen lawyer who helps people to structure fraud?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, nothing is keeping you from moving IB for the school you want and having your mom live nearby. Nothing is keeping you from sending your kid to school in Shaw and buying a place for your mother to live near you.

But if you do what you're planning to do I hope someone reports it and your child is disenrolled from the WoTP school.

Not happening. Somebody could report OP but her child won't be disenrolled if she can produce extra residency docs within a few days.

OSSE goes at low-hanging fruit, e.g. PG County address cheaters, not a DC resident like OP with a strong legal case. Even if OSSE was to do a home visit, which they almost never do for DC residents, OP could bring extra toys and kids clothes over to mom's for an investigator to photograph and things would be fine.

Maybe. But OP does not actually have a strong legal case FYI.

I'm a lawyer (USG, 20 years) and DCPS parent who disagrees. I've taken a hard look at DC laws on school residency and domicile, and minor changes to them, over the last four or five years. It's clear to me that if OP acquires both appropriate residency and domicile documents in the address of her condo before enrolling her child in a DCPS program, and the unit remains in the hands of nuclear family members (both as owners and occupants) while her child attends DC public schools, I see a strong legal case, if not an airtight one.

Are you a Michael Cohen lawyer who helps people to structure fraud?!

Are you a DC Superior Court judge who has adjudicated residency fraud cases?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op will be fine legally and a pariah socially. Seems fair.

pariah socially, total bs. we've moved between 2 houses on cap hill for many years, like other dcps families we know. we don't talk about our set-up as a general rule, and nobody much cares when we do. we've never had trouble with dcps on enrollment or residency, or the tax man either.

Nice to know that it’s total bullshit when people here play up the value of neighborhood schools vs charters.

[Anonymous]

No, just a jerk who throws rocks in glass houses. I'd wager that each bloodhound on this thread has technically broken DC law many times over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op will be fine legally and a pariah socially. Seems fair.

pariah socially, total bs. we've moved between 2 houses on cap hill for many years, like other dcps families we know. we don't talk about our set-up as a general rule, and nobody much cares when we do. we've never had trouble with dcps on enrollment or residency, or the tax man either.

Nice to know that it’s total bullshit when people here play up the value of neighborhood schools vs charters.

You know what, if you own a property that you aren't renting out where you spend a lot of time, hardly anybody gives a darn if you use the address to access a by-right school. Most parents are far too busy to fuss about such matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, just a jerk who throws rocks in glass houses. I'd wager that each bloodhound on this thread has technically broken DC law many times over.

OP asked if it's fraud. It is. You do what you want, but doesn't change the facts and the law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op will be fine legally and a pariah socially. Seems fair.

No she won't. The Ward 3 DCPS schools are giant and she's under no obligation to discuss or explain her residency situation with anybody in a school community.

A few years ago, when one of us had lost their job, we crammed into a 1-bedroom place OOB and rented out our IB house for a school year to make ends meet (after several years of our two kids attending the school). We never mentioned our living situation to anybody outside our immediate families and circle of very close friends and the subject never came up at school.

Totally different. DCPS enrollment handbook makes clear you can continue at the IB school if you move.

[Anonymous]

Not totally different if OP starts out living in the in condo when she enrolls her child. Sounds to me like what she should do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, just a jerk who throws rocks in glass houses. I'd wager that each bloodhound on this thread has technically broken DC law many times over.

OP asked if it's fraud. It is. You do what you want, but doesn't change the facts and the law.

Instead of folks asking us if it's fraud. Here's a better response, apply truthfully on your application, if you get accepted by school OSSE all is well and good in the world whatever we think doesn't matter. Be truthful and if manage to get accepted due to loophole, good for you because you are being honest. Once folks start posting using the word fraud, tells me that you actually think it is and just want to figure out how to get over.

Apply honestly and let the chips fall as they may...nothing bad will happen to you if you tell the truth, how about that for a novel idea?

[Anonymous]

No, I don't think that OP owes DCPS any explanation. She owes the system specific residency documents, along with the ability to manage a home visit by a DCPS inspector if necessary. Her real property, her family in her homes, her tax filings etc. Agree that she should never use the word fraud again in conjunction with managing her child's school residency profile.

[Anonymous]

And she would defraud that poor kid in SE whose parents apply through the lottery because they can’t afford two mortgages.

Why are all the pro-fraud posters refusing to address the victims of this “victimless” action? What would you say to the honest family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I don't think that OP owes DCPS any explanation. She owes the system specific residency documents, along with the ability to manage a home visit by a DCPS inspector if necessary. Her real property, her family in her homes, her tax filings etc. Agree that she should never use the word fraud again in conjunction with managing her child's school residency profile.

Once again - she signs a form attesting that she "resides" at the address. You can't just make up residency documents and say that you "reside" there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, nothing is keeping you from moving IB for the school you want and having your mom live nearby. Nothing is keeping you from sending your kid to school in Shaw and buying a place for your mother to live near you.

But if you do what you're planning to do I hope someone reports it and your child is disenrolled from the WoTP school.

Not happening. Somebody could report OP but her child won't be disenrolled if she can produce extra residency docs within a few days.

OSSE goes at low-hanging fruit, e.g. PG County address cheaters, not a DC resident like OP with a strong legal case. Even if OSSE was to do a home visit, which they almost never do for DC residents, OP could bring extra toys and kids clothes over to mom's for an investigator to photograph and things would be fine.

Maybe. But OP does not actually have a strong legal case FYI.

I'm a lawyer (USG, 20 years) and DCPS parent who disagrees. I've taken a hard look at DC laws on school residency and domicile, and minor changes to them, over the last four or five years. It's clear to me that if OP acquires both appropriate residency and domicile documents in the address of her condo before enrolling her child in a DCPS program, and the unit remains in the hands of nuclear family members (both as owners and occupants) while her child attends DC public schools, I see a strong legal case, if not an airtight one.

Are you a Michael Cohen lawyer who helps people to structure fraud?!

Are you a DC Superior Court judge who has adjudicated residency fraud cases?

Is that like a junior justice of the peace? Only federal judges really matter here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, nothing is keeping you from moving IB for the school you want and having your mom live nearby. Nothing is keeping you from sending your kid to school in Shaw and buying a place for your mother to live near you.

But if you do what you're planning to do I hope someone reports it and your child is disenrolled from the WoTP school.

Not happening. Somebody could report OP but her child won't be disenrolled if she can produce extra residency docs within a few days.

OSSE goes at low-hanging fruit, e.g. PG County address cheaters, not a DC resident like OP with a strong legal case. Even if OSSE was to do a home visit, which they almost never do for DC residents, OP could bring extra toys and kids clothes over to mom's for an investigator to photograph and things would be fine.

Maybe. But OP does not actually have a strong legal case FYI.

I'm a lawyer (USG, 20 years) and DCPS parent who disagrees. I've taken a hard look at DC laws on school residency and domicile, and minor changes to them, over the last four or five years. It's clear to me that if OP acquires both appropriate residency and domicile documents in the address of her condo before enrolling her child in a DCPS program, and the unit remains in the hands of nuclear family members (both as owners and occupants) while her child attends DC public schools, I see a strong legal case, if not an airtight one.

Are you a Michael Cohen lawyer who helps people to structure fraud?!

Grandma is not part of the nuclear family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, nothing is keeping you from moving IB for the school you want and having your mom live nearby. Nothing is keeping you from sending your kid to school in Shaw and buying a place for your mother to live near you.

But if you do what you're planning to do I hope someone reports it and your child is disenrolled from the WoTP school.

Not happening. Somebody could report OP but her child won't be disenrolled if she can produce extra residency docs within a few days.

OSSE goes at low-hanging fruit, e.g. PG County address cheaters, not a DC resident like OP with a strong legal case. Even if OSSE was to do a home visit, which they almost never do for DC residents, OP could bring extra toys and kids clothes over to mom's for an investigator to photograph and things would be fine.

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Maybe. But OP does not actually have a strong legal case FYI.

I'm a lawyer (USG, 20 years) and DCPS parent who disagrees. I've taken a hard look at DC laws on school residency and domicile, and minor changes to them, over the last four or five years. It's clear to me that if OP acquires both appropriate residency and domicile documents in the address of her condo before enrolling her child in a DCPS program, and the unit remains in the hands of nuclear family members (both as owners and occupants) while her child attends DC public schools, I see a strong legal case, if not an airtight one.

Nope. The form asks where she "resides" and DC statute prohibits lying on the form. You don't "reside"
somewhere by changing your address on the utility bills. You'rs a terrible lawyer who has likely never actually filed a lawsuit.

+1 Terrible legal advice. I pity whatever agency that person works for.