The Importance of Warmth for your Baby

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

One has nothing to do with the other, despite them both using the word "warm", which I know can be confusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

When your "science" gets shot down, and your "it's cozier" gets shot down, I guess this is your final try? The "common sense" approach?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

The answer is yes- that is exactly what she is trying to do. To make formula feeding more difficult, to shame mothers into believing their formula must be as close to 98.6 degrees as possible because that's what breastmilk comes out of the body as. And any other temperature is either damaging to the baby's health or sleep patterns or GI tract in some way, or when that's shot down, any other temperature just isn't as soothing or yummy tasting. How to solve this problem? Just breastfeed! I can't stand people like her.

So weird! Every baby is different. Every family is different. As long as everyone gets fed, who cares? There are certainly a million other more pressing problems to address. And no parent has ever proved his or her love through the temperature of formula. This is just not a thing. It just does not matter. You are not doing anything beneficial by giving your kid 98.6 formula v 72 formula. It isn’t cozier or better for digestion. It isn’t anything. Except really really weird. Like someone who is really old and didn’t make it out of 7th grade.

I think a thirty degree difference is significant, especially for a newborn.

Do you have any evidence to base what you "think" is significant? Or do you just "think" it? Because the CDC is pretty clear that warming is not necessary: https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-preparation-and-storage.html

In addition, warmed formula has been linked to pathogens in the NICU: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18926137

There is very little evidence for warming feeds in the NICU, much less term infants: http://blog.neonatalperspectives.com/2015/05/14/warming-of-infant-feedings/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

Except to one or two very hostile individuals on this thread. Thank you for chiming in! -OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

Except to one or two very hostile individuals on this thread. Thank you for chiming in! -OP

Science isn't hostile. Read the article about pathogens in warmed NICU formula, or the CDC statement about proper preparation of formula.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

Except to one or two very hostile individuals on this thread. Thank you for chiming in! -OP

Science isn't hostile. Read the article about pathogens in warmed NICU formula, or the CDC statement about proper preparation of formula.

You do whatever you want. Remember? It's ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

Except to one or two very hostile individuals on this thread. Thank you for chiming in! -OP

Science isn't hostile. Read the article about pathogens in warmed NICU formula, or the CDC statement about proper preparation of formula.

You do whatever you want. Remember? It's ok.

It's not ok to make up fake facts and science about infant feeding. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping a baby warm and warming milk is simply common sense.

Except to one or two very hostile individuals on this thread. Thank you for chiming in! -OP

Science isn't hostile. Read the article about pathogens in warmed NICU formula, or the CDC statement about proper preparation of formula.

You do whatever you want. Remember? It's ok.

It's not ok to make up fake facts and science about infant feeding. Period.

Also, stop with the game of replying "you do whatever you want" in response to objections to your fake feeding norms. You can't say "X is common sense" and then act like the person who says "X is NOT common sense!" is being the hostile one. You don't get to set something up as "what all good mothers do" and then act all innocent when you get slapped back.

[Anonymous]

Read those links, people.
I don't think they say what the poster is claiming.

[Anonymous]

Op, I am sure many other alternative medical traditions believe the same. Warmth is important in the healing process of both mom and baby. My infant and child rearing habits were very much informed by the practises of my own North Indian culture + reinforced by my pediatricians here, who are Europeans When I had my first child, my mother and sister came from India to take care of me. Mom is very knowledgeable about ayurvedic practices and was very upset that I was given ice-chips to suck on during delivery and kept in a cold room at the hospital. She was horrified by this and said that it is very bad for both the mom and the child to be exposed to cold because the body has undergone major trauma and heat will help preserve energy as well as heal. Also, the child was in a very warm environment in the womb and it takes a long time before they have the capability to warm themselves. She brought special home cooked meals (especially for new moms) at the hospital and after less than 24 hours, DH and my mom whisked me and DC, home.

At home, DC and I stayed in a room that was kept warmer than normal. Both of us, DC and I, were massaged with warm medicated oil several times a day (yes - 4-5 times) and kept very warm. Our heads and feet were also kept covered at all times. We were given a warm medicated bath the first day home and after that for several days we were given sponge bathes only. Later, we moved back to a daily warm bath for DC and warm shower for me. All the vents were closed to prevent cold air seeping in our room. All the food and drink for me was made specifically to heal me, and to produce milk, and to prevent colic in the baby who was EBF. DC and I were in seclusion for 40-50 days, and we were seeing only my mom, sister and DH. My mom and sister were also in seclusion along with me, though my DH went to work and was doing all the groceries and stuff. I think this reduced the chances of me and the baby catching an infection. My only job was to nurse the baby on demand, massage her, give her a bath, get massaged several times by either my mom or my sister, take a warm shower, watch TV, read books, and sleep all the time. I was not even allowed to go on the treadmill because my mom said that my joints were weak after birth and will need to become stronger through nutrition before I could start exercising in earnest.

For 50 days, I did not lift my fingers and only after my bleeding had stopped completely was I allowed to start doing light chores in the house. After 6 weeks, we had a ceremony (lunch and prayers at home), in which the baby was introduced to limited number of relatives and friends, and my seclusion was lifted. Infant massage, mom massage, layered clothing, keeping head and feet covered, special food/drink for mom, prevention from exposure, lots of rest - these practises were inbuilt in mom and baby care in my culture among all classes of people. I did daily infant and child massages for both of my kids for many years after that. It was a relaxing and very enjoyable experience for everyone. Even now, every once in a while my grown daughter who is now college will come home for several days and along with her favorite foods she wants a daily hot oil massage based on her constitutional type.

My mom blames the lack of proper care of mom and infant for a host of problems - PPD, colic, autism, dullness of intellect, stomach/GI problems, food allergies, thyroid issues, reproductive problems, joint pains, migraines, osteoporosis, diabetes, premature aging, vision problem, heart problems. I don't know how medically true all of this is but till date I have not found any downside to her help and care of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op, I am sure many other alternative medical traditions believe the same. Warmth is important in the healing process of both mom and baby. My infant and child rearing habits were very much informed by the practises of my own North Indian culture + reinforced by my pediatricians here, who are Europeans When I had my first child, my mother and sister came from India to take care of me. Mom is very knowledgeable about ayurvedic practices and was very upset that I was given ice-chips to suck on during delivery and kept in a cold room at the hospital. She was horrified by this and said that it is very bad for both the mom and the child to be exposed to cold because the body has undergone major trauma and heat will help preserve energy as well as heal. Also, the child was in a very warm environment in the womb and it takes a long time before they have the capability to warm themselves. She brought special home cooked meals (especially for new moms) at the hospital and after less than 24 hours, DH and my mom whisked me and DC, home.

At home, DC and I stayed in a room that was kept warmer than normal. Both of us, DC and I, were massaged with warm medicated oil several times a day (yes - 4-5 times) and kept very warm. Our heads and feet were also kept covered at all times. We were given a warm medicated bath the first day home and after that for several days we were given sponge bathes only. Later, we moved back to a daily warm bath for DC and warm shower for me. All the vents were closed to prevent cold air seeping in our room. All the food and drink for me was made specifically to heal me, and to produce milk, and to prevent colic in the baby who was EBF. DC and I were in seclusion for 40-50 days, and we were seeing only my mom, sister and DH. My mom and sister were also in seclusion along with me, though my DH went to work and was doing all the groceries and stuff. I think this reduced the chances of me and the baby catching an infection. My only job was to nurse the baby on demand, massage her, give her a bath, get massaged several times by either my mom or my sister, take a warm shower, watch TV, read books, and sleep all the time. I was not even allowed to go on the treadmill because my mom said that my joints were weak after birth and will need to become stronger through nutrition before I could start exercising in earnest.

For 50 days, I did not lift my fingers and only after my bleeding had stopped completely was I allowed to start doing light chores in the house. After 6 weeks, we had a ceremony (lunch and prayers at home), in which the baby was introduced to limited number of relatives and friends, and my seclusion was lifted. Infant massage, mom massage, layered clothing, keeping head and feet covered, special food/drink for mom, prevention from exposure, lots of rest - these practises were inbuilt in mom and baby care in my culture among all classes of people. I did daily infant and child massages for both of my kids for many years after that. It was a relaxing and very enjoyable experience for everyone. Even now, every once in a while my grown daughter who is now college will come home for several days and along with her favorite foods she wants a daily hot oil massage based on her constitutional type.

My mom blames the lack of proper care of mom and infant for a host of problems - PPD, colic, autism, dullness of intellect, stomach/GI problems, food allergies, thyroid issues, reproductive problems, joint pains, migraines, osteoporosis, diabetes, premature aging, vision problem, heart problems. I don't know how medically true all of this is but till date I have not found any downside to her help and care of me.

This is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing this.
When it comes to birthing babies and caring for new mothers, the United States is woefully behind. Too many technological interventions and not enough "old world" common sense wisdom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, I am sure many other alternative medical traditions believe the same. Warmth is important in the healing process of both mom and baby. My infant and child rearing habits were very much informed by the practises of my own North Indian culture + reinforced by my pediatricians here, who are Europeans When I had my first child, my mother and sister came from India to take care of me. Mom is very knowledgeable about ayurvedic practices and was very upset that I was given ice-chips to suck on during delivery and kept in a cold room at the hospital. She was horrified by this and said that it is very bad for both the mom and the child to be exposed to cold because the body has undergone major trauma and heat will help preserve energy as well as heal. Also, the child was in a very warm environment in the womb and it takes a long time before they have the capability to warm themselves. She brought special home cooked meals (especially for new moms) at the hospital and after less than 24 hours, DH and my mom whisked me and DC, home.

At home, DC and I stayed in a room that was kept warmer than normal. Both of us, DC and I, were massaged with warm medicated oil several times a day (yes - 4-5 times) and kept very warm. Our heads and feet were also kept covered at all times. We were given a warm medicated bath the first day home and after that for several days we were given sponge bathes only. Later, we moved back to a daily warm bath for DC and warm shower for me. All the vents were closed to prevent cold air seeping in our room. All the food and drink for me was made specifically to heal me, and to produce milk, and to prevent colic in the baby who was EBF. DC and I were in seclusion for 40-50 days, and we were seeing only my mom, sister and DH. My mom and sister were also in seclusion along with me, though my DH went to work and was doing all the groceries and stuff. I think this reduced the chances of me and the baby catching an infection. My only job was to nurse the baby on demand, massage her, give her a bath, get massaged several times by either my mom or my sister, take a warm shower, watch TV, read books, and sleep all the time. I was not even allowed to go on the treadmill because my mom said that my joints were weak after birth and will need to become stronger through nutrition before I could start exercising in earnest.

For 50 days, I did not lift my fingers and only after my bleeding had stopped completely was I allowed to start doing light chores in the house. After 6 weeks, we had a ceremony (lunch and prayers at home), in which the baby was introduced to limited number of relatives and friends, and my seclusion was lifted. Infant massage, mom massage, layered clothing, keeping head and feet covered, special food/drink for mom, prevention from exposure, lots of rest - these practises were inbuilt in mom and baby care in my culture among all classes of people. I did daily infant and child massages for both of my kids for many years after that. It was a relaxing and very enjoyable experience for everyone. Even now, every once in a while my grown daughter who is now college will come home for several days and along with her favorite foods she wants a daily hot oil massage based on her constitutional type.

My mom blames the lack of proper care of mom and infant for a host of problems - PPD, colic, autism, dullness of intellect, stomach/GI problems, food allergies, thyroid issues, reproductive problems, joint pains, migraines, osteoporosis, diabetes, premature aging, vision problem, heart problems. I don't know how medically true all of this is but till date I have not found any downside to her help and care of me.

This is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing this.
When it comes to birthing babies and caring for new mothers, the United States is woefully behind. Too many technological interventions and not enough "old world" common sense wisdom.

Yes, it was very nice and sweet until the last paragraph. Not nice to link to think like autism, food allergies, reproduction problems, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, I am sure many other alternative medical traditions believe the same. Warmth is important in the healing process of both mom and baby. My infant and child rearing habits were very much informed by the practises of my own North Indian culture + reinforced by my pediatricians here, who are Europeans When I had my first child, my mother and sister came from India to take care of me. Mom is very knowledgeable about ayurvedic practices and was very upset that I was given ice-chips to suck on during delivery and kept in a cold room at the hospital. She was horrified by this and said that it is very bad for both the mom and the child to be exposed to cold because the body has undergone major trauma and heat will help preserve energy as well as heal. Also, the child was in a very warm environment in the womb and it takes a long time before they have the capability to warm themselves. She brought special home cooked meals (especially for new moms) at the hospital and after less than 24 hours, DH and my mom whisked me and DC, home.

At home, DC and I stayed in a room that was kept warmer than normal. Both of us, DC and I, were massaged with warm medicated oil several times a day (yes - 4-5 times) and kept very warm. Our heads and feet were also kept covered at all times. We were given a warm medicated bath the first day home and after that for several days we were given sponge bathes only. Later, we moved back to a daily warm bath for DC and warm shower for me. All the vents were closed to prevent cold air seeping in our room. All the food and drink for me was made specifically to heal me, and to produce milk, and to prevent colic in the baby who was EBF. DC and I were in seclusion for 40-50 days, and we were seeing only my mom, sister and DH. My mom and sister were also in seclusion along with me, though my DH went to work and was doing all the groceries and stuff. I think this reduced the chances of me and the baby catching an infection. My only job was to nurse the baby on demand, massage her, give her a bath, get massaged several times by either my mom or my sister, take a warm shower, watch TV, read books, and sleep all the time. I was not even allowed to go on the treadmill because my mom said that my joints were weak after birth and will need to become stronger through nutrition before I could start exercising in earnest.

For 50 days, I did not lift my fingers and only after my bleeding had stopped completely was I allowed to start doing light chores in the house. After 6 weeks, we had a ceremony (lunch and prayers at home), in which the baby was introduced to limited number of relatives and friends, and my seclusion was lifted. Infant massage, mom massage, layered clothing, keeping head and feet covered, special food/drink for mom, prevention from exposure, lots of rest - these practises were inbuilt in mom and baby care in my culture among all classes of people. I did daily infant and child massages for both of my kids for many years after that. It was a relaxing and very enjoyable experience for everyone. Even now, every once in a while my grown daughter who is now college will come home for several days and along with her favorite foods she wants a daily hot oil massage based on her constitutional type.

My mom blames the lack of proper care of mom and infant for a host of problems - PPD, colic, autism, dullness of intellect, stomach/GI problems, food allergies, thyroid issues, reproductive problems, joint pains, migraines, osteoporosis, diabetes, premature aging, vision problem, heart problems. I don't know how medically true all of this is but till date I have not found any downside to her help and care of me.

This is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing this.
When it comes to birthing babies and caring for new mothers, the United States is woefully behind. Too many technological interventions and not enough "old world" common sense wisdom.

And, yet, expected life in the US is more than a decade longer. I will take my room temp formula and antibiotics, TYVM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, I am sure many other alternative medical traditions believe the same. Warmth is important in the healing process of both mom and baby. My infant and child rearing habits were very much informed by the practises of my own North Indian culture + reinforced by my pediatricians here, who are Europeans When I had my first child, my mother and sister came from India to take care of me. Mom is very knowledgeable about ayurvedic practices and was very upset that I was given ice-chips to suck on during delivery and kept in a cold room at the hospital. She was horrified by this and said that it is very bad for both the mom and the child to be exposed to cold because the body has undergone major trauma and heat will help preserve energy as well as heal. Also, the child was in a very warm environment in the womb and it takes a long time before they have the capability to warm themselves. She brought special home cooked meals (especially for new moms) at the hospital and after less than 24 hours, DH and my mom whisked me and DC, home.

At home, DC and I stayed in a room that was kept warmer than normal. Both of us, DC and I, were massaged with warm medicated oil several times a day (yes - 4-5 times) and kept very warm. Our heads and feet were also kept covered at all times. We were given a warm medicated bath the first day home and after that for several days we were given sponge bathes only. Later, we moved back to a daily warm bath for DC and warm shower for me. All the vents were closed to prevent cold air seeping in our room. All the food and drink for me was made specifically to heal me, and to produce milk, and to prevent colic in the baby who was EBF. DC and I were in seclusion for 40-50 days, and we were seeing only my mom, sister and DH. My mom and sister were also in seclusion along with me, though my DH went to work and was doing all the groceries and stuff. I think this reduced the chances of me and the baby catching an infection. My only job was to nurse the baby on demand, massage her, give her a bath, get massaged several times by either my mom or my sister, take a warm shower, watch TV, read books, and sleep all the time. I was not even allowed to go on the treadmill because my mom said that my joints were weak after birth and will need to become stronger through nutrition before I could start exercising in earnest.

For 50 days, I did not lift my fingers and only after my bleeding had stopped completely was I allowed to start doing light chores in the house. After 6 weeks, we had a ceremony (lunch and prayers at home), in which the baby was introduced to limited number of relatives and friends, and my seclusion was lifted. Infant massage, mom massage, layered clothing, keeping head and feet covered, special food/drink for mom, prevention from exposure, lots of rest - these practises were inbuilt in mom and baby care in my culture among all classes of people. I did daily infant and child massages for both of my kids for many years after that. It was a relaxing and very enjoyable experience for everyone. Even now, every once in a while my grown daughter who is now college will come home for several days and along with her favorite foods she wants a daily hot oil massage based on her constitutional type.

My mom blames the lack of proper care of mom and infant for a host of problems - PPD, colic, autism, dullness of intellect, stomach/GI problems, food allergies, thyroid issues, reproductive problems, joint pains, migraines, osteoporosis, diabetes, premature aging, vision problem, heart problems. I don't know how medically true all of this is but till date I have not found any downside to her help and care of me.

This is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing this.
When it comes to birthing babies and caring for new mothers, the United States is woefully behind. Too many technological interventions and not enough "old world" common sense wisdom.

"common sense" wisdom, like giving kids aryuvedic supplements contaminated with lead, arsenic and mercury? come on. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2755247/

[Anonymous]

Maintaining health for mothers and babies does nothing for the medical industry profits. On the other hand, surgeries and sickness is HIGHLY profitable.

We decided to have our baby's birth at home. For us, it was the safest option.