What would an at-risk preference do? New MSDC research paper out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

My bad, I was looking at the economically disadvantaged numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:is at risk the same thing as high poverty?

At risk means at risk of academic failure. It is defined as being from a family eligible for TANF (temporary assistance for needy families or SNAP (nutrition assistance); experiencing homelessness; being in the foster care system, or, for high school, ne year older than your expected grade (presumably because student was retained at least once).

So only 13% of DCPS schools have fewer than 10% at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"So would anyone be supportive of giving at-risk preference over IB students for Pk3 and Pk4 at DCPS?"

Would you -- if they stay, as they would, for the rest of elementary, and junior high, etc? So PK3 and PK4 get filled with at risk. Maybe one additional classroom gets opened up for K, maybe 2 if it is a big school. Where will all the other IB kids go? And then you have a school which is 75% at risk or 3/5 at risk. That is assuming a lot of at-risk kids apply, but there probably are a lot.

Or let's say it is just 1/3 of at risk kids admitted for pre-K, so that by K it is about one classroom's worth of at risk spread across the classes. That is still a whole extra class that would have to be added to K to maintain the IB by right kids. Where do you put all of these kids, and where do you get the money to add the extra classes. Unless more of them leave the system, which they might.

If the school gets crowded they can reduce the number of preschool classrooms offered. Surprise surprise, overcrowding to allow for preschool is fine when it is serving IB siblings from mostly middle and upper class families. Will it be tolerable for poor kids?

The money comes from downtown under the UPSFF. It follows the student.

You really can't do math, can you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

There would be a follow-on effect in later years as those kids' siblings began to take advantage of sibling preference. And the very slight nudging of high-income kids into less desirable schools might positively impact those schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

Start small. Go from there. Like you said, ittiudk make a big change in the lives of 600+ at-risk kids. That alone should make it worth doing. That it wouldn't be a huge sea change in any one School is a feature not a bug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

Start small. Go from there. Like you said, ittiudk make a big change in the lives of 600+ at-risk kids. That alone should make it worth doing. That it wouldn't be a huge sea change in any one School is a feature not a bug.

The point isn't that it's not a sea change in any one school, it's that it's not a meaningful solution to the problem of concentrated poverty.

[Anonymous]

Roosevelt STAY is an alternative program for older students; the at-risk designation doesn't apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

Start small. Go from there. Like you said, ittiudk make a big change in the lives of 600+ at-risk kids. That alone should make it worth doing. That it wouldn't be a huge sea change in any one School is a feature not a bug.

The point isn't that it's not a sea change in any one school, it's that it's not a meaningful solution to the problem of concentrated poverty.

That's fine. There are many pieces to this puzzle. This is something we can do relatively easily, and we should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

There would be a follow-on effect in later years as those kids' siblings began to take advantage of sibling preference. And the very slight nudging of high-income kids into less desirable schools might positively impact those schools.

I'm not sure I follow. The siblings would still count toward the 10% at-risk, they'd just be taking seats from other at-risk kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roosevelt STAY is an alternative program for older students; the at-risk designation doesn't apply.

Thank you, that makes sense. My spreadsheet column width was set narrow and I didn't see the STAY in the name. I didn't think Roosevelt belonged on the list but couldn't see what I was missing. So that's 515 kids, so knock 52 off of the total. So 437 total.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

There would be a follow-on effect in later years as those kids' siblings began to take advantage of sibling preference. And the very slight nudging of high-income kids into less desirable schools might positively impact those schools.

I'm not sure I follow. The siblings would still count toward the 10% at-risk, they'd just be taking seats from other at-risk kids.

Not necessarily. At-risk people may not stay at-risk, but presumably school, feeder, and sibling rights would live on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

There would be a follow-on effect in later years as those kids' siblings began to take advantage of sibling preference. And the very slight nudging of high-income kids into less desirable schools might positively impact those schools.

I'm not sure I follow. The siblings would still count toward the 10% at-risk, they'd just be taking seats from other at-risk kids.

The point is that the sibling effect could put some schools over the 10% mark after a few years of getting established.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

There would be a follow-on effect in later years as those kids' siblings began to take advantage of sibling preference. And the very slight nudging of high-income kids into less desirable schools might positively impact those schools.

High income families don’t stay in less desireable schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 16 DCPS and charter schools 10% or less at-risk students now (based on the 2018-19 enrollment audit). Adult-ed or alternative programs are not included.

A question mark means that there are fewer than 10 at-risk students enrolled, so a percentage cannot be calculated. https://osse.dc.gov/node/1306796

Brent 4.2% at risk
Deal 6.7%
Eaton 6.0%
Eliot Hine 4%
Hearst 6%
Janney ?
Key ?
Lafayette 2.8%
Maury 2.2%
Mann ?
Murch 4.1%
Oyster-Adams 10%
Peabody ?
Ross ?
School within a School ?
Stoddert 3.4%

BASIS DC 8.5%
LAMB 9%
Lee Montessori 10%
Mundo Verde 9.1%
Washington Latin MS 6.2%
Yu Ying PCS 4.4%

Thanks for posting this, it's good to have some real numbers to work on. I went to the link you posted and worked with the numbers. I got 15 schools that are currently below 10%, including five with fewer than 10 students. They are:
Brent Elementary School
Deal Middle School
Eaton Elementary School
Hearst Elementary School
Janney Elementary School
Key Elementary School
Lafayette Elementary School
Mann Elementary School
Maury Elementary School
Murch Elementary School @ UDC
Peabody Elementary School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Roosevelt STAY High School
Ross Elementary School
School-Within-School @ Goding
Stoddert Elementary School

For simplicity's sake i just treated the schools below 10 as if they had zero. Those 15 schools currently have 7696 students and 281 at-risk. To get them all to 10% they'd have to have 770 students at-risk, or 489 more.

Overall DCPS has 20,963 at-risk students, 45% of the student body. Those 489 represent slightly over 2% of the students at risk. I'm sure that for those kids it would make a big change in their lives, but it's hard to see how this initiative makes a meaningful dent in the problem.

There would be a follow-on effect in later years as those kids' siblings began to take advantage of sibling preference. And the very slight nudging of high-income kids into less desirable schools might positively impact those schools.

I'm not sure I follow. The siblings would still count toward the 10% at-risk, they'd just be taking seats from other at-risk kids.

The point is that the sibling effect could put some schools over the 10% mark after a few years of getting established.

At which point the preference would go away until the school was back below 10%.