'Take Your Pills" documentary on Netflix

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Anonymous wrote:adderall is legal cocaine, sold by drug companies. plain and simple.

It is. 100%.

How does it calm hyperactive children then?

"Cocaine stimulates the brain’s reward system, causing quick gratification, intense pleasure and euphoria. This region of the brain is typically stimulated by natural pleasurable activities such as eating and having sex, producing an overall sense of well-being. However, cocaine unnaturally floods the system with innate ‘feel good’ chemistry, eventually compromising the brain’s natural ability to produce pleasure. Consequently, compulsive cocaine use results as one seeks to feel good again, and after a period of abuse, the brain is not able to naturally produce pleasurable feelings without the drug.

Along with a sense of pleasure and reward, cocaine induces hyper-focus and attention, feelings of confidence and mastery, wakefulness and decreased appetite. These are effects that are highly sought after and rewarding in themselves."

from https://chapterscapistrano.com/cocaine-adderall-similar-may-think/

Which is not what stimulant medication does in someone with ADHD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:adderall is legal cocaine, sold by drug companies. plain and simple.

It is. 100%.

How does it calm hyperactive children then?

"Cocaine stimulates the brain’s reward system, causing quick gratification, intense pleasure and euphoria. This region of the brain is typically stimulated by natural pleasurable activities such as eating and having sex, producing an overall sense of well-being. However, cocaine unnaturally floods the system with innate ‘feel good’ chemistry, eventually compromising the brain’s natural ability to produce pleasure. Consequently, compulsive cocaine use results as one seeks to feel good again, and after a period of abuse, the brain is not able to naturally produce pleasurable feelings without the drug.

Along with a sense of pleasure and reward, cocaine induces hyper-focus and attention, feelings of confidence and mastery, wakefulness and decreased appetite. These are effects that are highly sought after and rewarding in themselves."

from https://chapterscapistrano.com/cocaine-adderall-similar-may-think/

Which is not what stimulant medication does in someone with ADHD.

Why do you say that? Seems to me that the boldest is exactly what it does. It makes people concentrate and decreases their appetite. Look on the SN board - post after post saying that their ADHD child is on stimulants and concentrates well but now lost a lot of weight, and/or is so anxious that they also decide to add an antidepressant or something else into the mix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:adderall is legal cocaine, sold by drug companies. plain and simple.

It is. 100%.

How does it calm hyperactive children then?

"Cocaine stimulates the brain’s reward system, causing quick gratification, intense pleasure and euphoria. This region of the brain is typically stimulated by natural pleasurable activities such as eating and having sex, producing an overall sense of well-being. However, cocaine unnaturally floods the system with innate ‘feel good’ chemistry, eventually compromising the brain’s natural ability to produce pleasure. Consequently, compulsive cocaine use results as one seeks to feel good again, and after a period of abuse, the brain is not able to naturally produce pleasurable feelings without the drug.

Along with a sense of pleasure and reward, cocaine induces hyper-focus and attention, feelings of confidence and mastery, wakefulness and decreased appetite. These are effects that are highly sought after and rewarding in themselves."

from https://chapterscapistrano.com/cocaine-adderall-similar-may-think/

Which is not what stimulant medication does in someone with ADHD.

Why do you say that? Seems to me that the boldest is exactly what it does. It makes people concentrate and decreases their appetite. Look on the SN board - post after post saying that their ADHD child is on stimulants and concentrates well but now lost a lot of weight, and/or is so anxious that they also decide to add an antidepressant or something else into the mix.

There is a big difference between ability to regulate focus and hyperfocus. Hyperfocus is a negative symptom of ADHD, because it means someone is excessively focused on something to the exclusion of all else (e.g., completely unaware of what's happening around them, or having an awareness that they need to stop and do something else but being unable to make themselves stop whatever they're hyperfocused on). ADHD is basically an inability to regulate your attention, to make yourself focus on things that you don't find engaging and being able to keep yourself from focusing excessively on things that do engage you. Stimulant medication for ADHD doesn't cause hyperfocus, it makes it easier to *not* hyperfocus. It also does not induce a sense of confidence or mastery. People with ADHD often develop increased confidence after beginning treatment, but that is something developed gradually over time as they find themselves better able to manage, not something induced by the medication upon taking it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:adderall is legal cocaine, sold by drug companies. plain and simple.

It is. 100%.

How does it calm hyperactive children then?

"Cocaine stimulates the brain’s reward system, causing quick gratification, intense pleasure and euphoria. This region of the brain is typically stimulated by natural pleasurable activities such as eating and having sex, producing an overall sense of well-being. However, cocaine unnaturally floods the system with innate ‘feel good’ chemistry, eventually compromising the brain’s natural ability to produce pleasure. Consequently, compulsive cocaine use results as one seeks to feel good again, and after a period of abuse, the brain is not able to naturally produce pleasurable feelings without the drug.

Along with a sense of pleasure and reward, cocaine induces hyper-focus and attention, feelings of confidence and mastery, wakefulness and decreased appetite. These are effects that are highly sought after and rewarding in themselves."

from https://chapterscapistrano.com/cocaine-adderall-similar-may-think/

Which is not what stimulant medication does in someone with ADHD.

Why do you say that? Seems to me that the boldest is exactly what it does. It makes people concentrate and decreases their appetite. Look on the SN board - post after post saying that their ADHD child is on stimulants and concentrates well but now lost a lot of weight, and/or is so anxious that they also decide to add an antidepressant or something else into the mix.

Chemo also causes decreased appetite, would you liken that to cocaine and judge people for using it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:adderall is legal cocaine, sold by drug companies. plain and simple.

It is. 100%.

How does it calm hyperactive children then?

"Cocaine stimulates the brain’s reward system, causing quick gratification, intense pleasure and euphoria. This region of the brain is typically stimulated by natural pleasurable activities such as eating and having sex, producing an overall sense of well-being. However, cocaine unnaturally floods the system with innate ‘feel good’ chemistry, eventually compromising the brain’s natural ability to produce pleasure. Consequently, compulsive cocaine use results as one seeks to feel good again, and after a period of abuse, the brain is not able to naturally produce pleasurable feelings without the drug.

Along with a sense of pleasure and reward, cocaine induces hyper-focus and attention, feelings of confidence and mastery, wakefulness and decreased appetite. These are effects that are highly sought after and rewarding in themselves."

from https://chapterscapistrano.com/cocaine-adderall-similar-may-think/

Which is not what stimulant medication does in someone with ADHD.

Why do you say that? Seems to me that the boldest is exactly what it does. It makes people concentrate and decreases their appetite. Look on the SN board - post after post saying that their ADHD child is on stimulants and concentrates well but now lost a lot of weight, and/or is so anxious that they also decide to add an antidepressant or something else into the mix.

There is a big difference between ability to regulate focus and hyperfocus. Hyperfocus is a negative symptom of ADHD, because it means someone is excessively focused on something to the exclusion of all else (e.g., completely unaware of what's happening around them, or having an awareness that they need to stop and do something else but being unable to make themselves stop whatever they're hyperfocused on). ADHD is basically an inability to regulate your attention, to make yourself focus on things that you don't find engaging and being able to keep yourself from focusing excessively on things that do engage you. Stimulant medication for ADHD doesn't cause hyperfocus, it makes it easier to *not* hyperfocus. It also does not induce a sense of confidence or mastery. People with ADHD often develop increased confidence after beginning treatment, but that is something developed gradually over time as they find themselves better able to manage, not something induced by the medication upon taking it.

What a bunch of s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I do agree that in 50-100 years, we will consider the current treatment of ADHD to be very backward. The truth is we don’t really know what causes it or why it manifests differently in different people or why different drugs work differently for different people. All we can do now is treat symptoms largely through trial and error. I expect they’ll know a lot more in 100 years and will have much better treatments. But I live right now so we deal with what we’ve got.

Thank you for this thoughtful educated response. I keep asking my psychiatrist about the recent developments in ADHD research, and according to her, there are no break through or even major advancement in the field yet.

I have a science PhD and maybe this isn't obvious to people outside of research, but the only "advancements in the field" as it relates to ADHD are going to be drugs, drugs and more drugs. That's because all research needs to be funded by somebody, and it's expensive. Unless a pharmaceutical company is footing the bill (with the protections that patents provide them so they can recoup their costs) then it will never happen. Even research that is "government funded" is, especially in the US, essentially funded by a large corporation behind the scenes - through political donations and very loose and free relationships between the pharmaceutical industry and related government organizations (read: someone works a few years here, a few years there, then back here again).

If you accept that the root cause (and therefore real solution) could be something related to nutrition, environmental toxicity, gut flora, or something else for which the discovery of a link wouldn't necessarily yield benefits to a corporation (and would indeed perhaps actually reduce profits dramatically if people were to stop with all the medications) then you need to start looking for those links on your own. They will never come from the government.

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Seriously, what we are doing to our kids in this country is shameful. The learning environment is inadequate. Parents don't question their lifestyle and family dynamics. It's so much easier to call it a disease and medicate.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:adderall is legal cocaine, sold by drug companies. plain and simple.

It is. 100%.

How does it calm hyperactive children then?

"Cocaine stimulates the brain’s reward system, causing quick gratification, intense pleasure and euphoria. This region of the brain is typically stimulated by natural pleasurable activities such as eating and having sex, producing an overall sense of well-being. However, cocaine unnaturally floods the system with innate ‘feel good’ chemistry, eventually compromising the brain’s natural ability to produce pleasure. Consequently, compulsive cocaine use results as one seeks to feel good again, and after a period of abuse, the brain is not able to naturally produce pleasurable feelings without the drug.

Along with a sense of pleasure and reward, cocaine induces hyper-focus and attention, feelings of confidence and mastery, wakefulness and decreased appetite. These are effects that are highly sought after and rewarding in themselves."

from https://chapterscapistrano.com/cocaine-adderall-similar-may-think/

Which is not what stimulant medication does in someone with ADHD.

Why do you say that? Seems to me that the boldest is exactly what it does. It makes people concentrate and decreases their appetite. Look on the SN board - post after post saying that their ADHD child is on stimulants and concentrates well but now lost a lot of weight, and/or is so anxious that they also decide to add an antidepressant or something else into the mix.

There is a big difference between ability to regulate focus and hyperfocus. Hyperfocus is a negative symptom of ADHD, because it means someone is excessively focused on something to the exclusion of all else (e.g., completely unaware of what's happening around them, or having an awareness that they need to stop and do something else but being unable to make themselves stop whatever they're hyperfocused on). ADHD is basically an inability to regulate your attention, to make yourself focus on things that you don't find engaging and being able to keep yourself from focusing excessively on things that do engage you. Stimulant medication for ADHD doesn't cause hyperfocus, it makes it easier to *not* hyperfocus. It also does not induce a sense of confidence or mastery. People with ADHD often develop increased confidence after beginning treatment, but that is something developed gradually over time as they find themselves better able to manage, not something induced by the medication upon taking it.

What a bunch of s.

IOW, you can't refute it on the merits and that really pisses you off.