Someone please explain to me the difference between tracking and the AAP program/centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god...that response was so predictable. In therapy for your narcissisum?

What is predictable? Why would I need therapy? FWIW, my brother in-law died young, leaving behind 2 young children, and we are all so thankful that he was always involved, overly-involved, in his daughters' lives. You best believe that I will do everything for my children. Whether that means parent referring and/or appealing. It really in no way affects you or your children - as I am following the set guidelines as put forth by FCPS.

Parent they way you wish, and don't judge others for doing what they feel is right AND what is currently the protocol.

Well said. I don't know why some (just a few) very vocal posters worry so much about how other people raise thir kids. It's really creepy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god...that response was so predictable. In therapy for your narcissisum?

What is predictable? Why would I need therapy? FWIW, my brother in-law died young, leaving behind 2 young children, and we are all so thankful that he was always involved, overly-involved, in his daughters' lives. You best believe that I will do everything for my children. Whether that means parent referring and/or appealing. It really in no way affects you or your children - as I am following the set guidelines as put forth by FCPS.

Parent they way you wish, and don't judge others for doing what they feel is right AND what is currently the protocol.

Well said. I don't know why some (just a few) very vocal posters worry so much about how other people raise thir kids. It's really creepy.

more than creepy. Imagine being called self-centered, selfish and narcissistic because you opted to accept the school district's offer to place your kid in the AAP program. I thought i was making the best decision for my child's education.

[Anonymous]

The last word.

[Anonymous]

So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

hairsplitting. those sound the same to me. still not convinced. if aap were ability grouping there are many kids in gen ed who would be in AAP and vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

hairsplitting. those sound the same to me. still not convinced. if aap were ability grouping there are many kids in gen ed who would be in AAP and vice versa.

+1,000 The vast majority of these kids are indistinguishable from one another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

hairsplitting. those sound the same to me. still not convinced. if aap were ability grouping there are many kids in gen ed who would be in AAP and vice versa.

Continuing the Discussion of Ability Grouping

http://tip.duke.edu/node/803



Tracking, Ability Grouping and the Gifted

http://www.giftedpage.org/docs/bulletins/PageBulletinTracking.pdf



NAGC Position Paper: Grouping

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedFiles/Information_and_Resources/Position_Papers/Grouping.pdf




In Search of Reality: Unraveling the Myths about Tracking, Ability Grouping, and the Gifted

http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817928723_85.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

hairsplitting. those sound the same to me. still not convinced. if aap were ability grouping there are many kids in gen ed who would be in AAP and vice versa.

Continuing the Discussion of Ability Grouping

http://tip.duke.edu/node/803



Tracking, Ability Grouping and the Gifted

http://www.giftedpage.org/docs/bulletins/PageBulletinTracking.pdf



NAGC Position Paper: Grouping

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedFiles/Information_and_Resources/Position_Papers/Grouping.pdf




In Search of Reality: Unraveling the Myths about Tracking, Ability Grouping, and the Gifted

http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817928723_85.pdf

Here's a quote from the first article:

Fiedler: With tracking, students are typically assigned full-time to groups according to presumed ability, prior achievement, or teacher observations. Students are often locked into tracks and labeled “low,” “average,” or “high.” Often they cannot move between tracks during a school year or from one school year to another, leading to a castelike system that can cause discrimination against students in the “low” tracks and that can exclude them from learning opportunities.

AAP sounds like tracking to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

hairsplitting. those sound the same to me. still not convinced. if aap were ability grouping there are many kids in gen ed who would be in AAP and vice versa.

Continuing the Discussion of Ability Grouping

http://tip.duke.edu/node/803



Tracking, Ability Grouping and the Gifted

http://www.giftedpage.org/docs/bulletins/PageBulletinTracking.pdf



NAGC Position Paper: Grouping

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedFiles/Information_and_Resources/Position_Papers/Grouping.pdf




In Search of Reality: Unraveling the Myths about Tracking, Ability Grouping, and the Gifted

http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817928723_85.pdf

Here's a quote from the first article:

Fiedler: With tracking, students are typically assigned full-time to groups according to presumed ability, prior achievement, or teacher observations. Students are often locked into tracks and labeled “low,” “average,” or “high.” Often they cannot move between tracks during a school year or from one school year to another, leading to a castelike system that can cause discrimination against students in the “low” tracks and that can exclude them from learning opportunities.

AAP sounds like tracking to me.

Absolutely, positively, 100%. This describes AAP in a nutshell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how is rhe FCPS AAP program different from tracking?

Because it is ability grouping, not tracking.

hairsplitting. those sound the same to me. still not convinced. if aap were ability grouping there are many kids in gen ed who would be in AAP and vice versa.

Continuing the Discussion of Ability Grouping

http://tip.duke.edu/node/803



Tracking, Ability Grouping and the Gifted

http://www.giftedpage.org/docs/bulletins/PageBulletinTracking.pdf



NAGC Position Paper: Grouping

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedFiles/Information_and_Resources/Position_Papers/Grouping.pdf




In Search of Reality: Unraveling the Myths about Tracking, Ability Grouping, and the Gifted

http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817928723_85.pdf

Here's a quote from the first article:

Fiedler: With tracking, students are typically assigned full-time to groups according to presumed ability, prior achievement, or teacher observations. Students are often locked into tracks and labeled “low,” “average,” or “high.” Often they cannot move between tracks during a school year or from one school year to another, leading to a castelike system that can cause discrimination against students in the “low” tracks and that can exclude them from learning opportunities.

AAP sounds like tracking to me.

Absolutely, positively, 100%. This describes AAP in a nutshell.

Absolutely. Also from the first article.

Ability grouping is a method by which teachers group and regroup students according to common needs for intellectual challenge and type of instruction. The grouping can be a self-contained class, a subgroup within a classroom, or a cluster of students that moves between classrooms. Placing students of similar ability together makes sense and allows for the most effective use of educational resources, including the teachers themselves.

Absolutely, positively, 100%. This describes AAP in a nutshell.

[Anonymous]

Tracking and ability grouping are dirty words in public schools. Have you ever heard a teacher use those word publicly lately? They would be crucified by their principal.

It's differentiated instruction and it doesn't happen in most schools for high level students. It's an impossible task for teachers with 28 students.

[Anonymous]

So according to the above links. FCPS's AAP program is tracking. Why is it not being changed so that all students, in our public education system, have access to an "equal education"?
Why is FCPS continuing this practice?

[Anonymous]

All students do have access to an equal education.

The issue is that site-based management results in inconsistent delivery of services (including Levels II, III and IV) from school to school.

As an example, one middle school has all students in honors for two core subjects.

FCPS should be ensuring that all services are consistently delivered from school to school as a baseline.

That means someone needs to hold school principals accountable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tracking and ability grouping are dirty words in public schools. Have you ever heard a teacher use those word publicly lately? They would be crucified by their principal.

It's differentiated instruction and it doesn't happen in most schools for high level students. It's an impossible task for teachers with 28 students.

I'd be thrilled if my kids would have 28 students. 6th grader has 35 in his class right now.