Anyone else sick of gifted talk?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So what? When I assign Macbeth to read some of my students tell me they have read it 3 times. I guess your solution is to put the kid and their parents in jail then?




Sorry, it is not the same thing. The IQ tests are not to be copied or shared. This is made quite clear. The real guilty person is the school employee who is sharing it--but it may not even be someone within FCPS.



Don't be quick to assume that a school employee copied or shared the tests. They can be ordered online.


Aren't the tests supposed to be protected, copyrighted materials, which are only supposed to be released to and used by properly licensed and credentialed professionals? And wouldn't someone abusing their professional license in order to facilitate or run a test prep clinic based on the test likely face serious sanctions like losing their license - and potentially legal action like lawsuit?
Anonymous
So what? When I assign Macbeth to read some of my students tell me they have read it 3 times. I guess your solution is to put the kid and their parents in jail then?
Anonymous
Aren't the tests supposed to be protected, copyrighted materials, which are only supposed to be released to and used by properly licensed and credentialed professionals? And wouldn't someone abusing their professional license in order to facilitate or run a test prep clinic based on the test likely face serious sanctions like losing their license - and potentially legal action like lawsuit?




Yes. Now prove it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Aren't the tests supposed to be protected, copyrighted materials, which are only supposed to be released to and used by properly licensed and credentialed professionals? And wouldn't someone abusing their professional license in order to facilitate or run a test prep clinic based on the test likely face serious sanctions like losing their license - and potentially legal action like lawsuit?




Yes. Now prove it.


Posters have already alleged this happens all the time. So those posters are the ones who supposedly have the information. If they know it to be true, then they should be acting on it and going after the bad actors, rather than whining about it on DCUM and trying to use it as a backhanded argument for invalidating G&T programs.
Anonymous
Posters have already alleged this happens all the time. So those posters are the ones who supposedly have the information. If they know it to be true, then they should be acting on it and going after the bad actors, rather than whining about it on DCUM and trying to use it as a backhanded argument for invalidating G&T programs.




Knowing it to be true and proving it are two different things. A kid tells you he has practiced on the test. Is FCPS really going to hire detectives to pursue this? Really?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Posters have already alleged this happens all the time. So those posters are the ones who supposedly have the information. If they know it to be true, then they should be acting on it and going after the bad actors, rather than whining about it on DCUM and trying to use it as a backhanded argument for invalidating G&T programs.




Knowing it to be true and proving it are two different things. A kid tells you he has practiced on the test. Is FCPS really going to hire detectives to pursue this? Really?


If you can't prove it then you can't really know it to be true either.
Anonymous
If you can't prove it then you can't really know it to be true either.




When a first grader says this is the same test, I tend to believe her.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My children are definitely not gifted. They are normal and works in progress. They both entered HGC (4th and 5th) and are in magnet middle school programs for more challenge and enrichment.


How do you know that they are not. Do they have an average IQ? The opposite of gifted is not abnormal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
If you can't prove it then you can't really know it to be true either.




When a first grader says this is the same test, I tend to believe her.


Same test as what? You are administering IQ tests to first graders?
Anonymous
I think we're too hung up on "gifted." But yes, I'm tired of hearing about it. Every kid who scores well at school is not gifted or even advanced. That used to be called "doing well."

There is so much more to a child than their IQ and test scores.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think we're too hung up on "gifted." But yes, I'm tired of hearing about it. Every kid who scores well at school is not gifted or even advanced. That used to be called "doing well."

There is so much more to a child than their IQ and test scores.


So very true.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think we're too hung up on "gifted." But yes, I'm tired of hearing about it. Every kid who scores well at school is not gifted or even advanced. That used to be called "doing well."

There is so much more to a child than their IQ and test scores.


Sure there is. But you say it as though it's a bad thing, as though IQ were a bad thing, somehow taking as though people think it's the be all or end all (which nobody does) or alternately like it's somehow taking something away from the overall school experience (which it doesn't). 30% of the class might be working their little butts off and "doing well" and getting A's and that's fine and good. But 3-5% of the class could be doing even better, and potentially moving on to even more advanced and difficult material and still be "doing well". 3-5% of the class might be able to get A's with their eyes closed and are actually bored to tears while the others struggle and work hard for their A's. It's not about prestige or recognition, nobody gets a gold medal for IQ - it's about challenging students at an appropriate level of difficulty. Once people understand that, they no longer have the opinion that you do.
Anonymous
Sure there is. But you say it as though it's a bad thing, as though IQ were a bad thing, somehow taking as though people think it's the be all or end all (which nobody does) or alternately like it's somehow taking something away from the overall school experience (which it doesn't). 30% of the class might be working their little butts off and "doing well" and getting A's and that's fine and good. But 3-5% of the class could be doing even better, and potentially moving on to even more advanced and difficult material and still be "doing well". 3-5% of the class might be able to get A's with their eyes closed and are actually bored to tears while the others struggle and work hard for their A's. It's not about prestige or recognition, nobody gets a gold medal for IQ - it's about challenging students at an appropriate level of difficulty. Once people understand that, they no longer have the opinion that you do.




And, teachers were challenging the "extra smart" for years before the GT program. Even in a GT program, it may surprise you to know that some are significantly more gifted than others.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
So what? When I assign Macbeth to read some of my students tell me they have read it 3 times. I guess your solution is to put the kid and their parents in jail then?




Sorry, it is not the same thing. The IQ tests are not to be copied or shared. This is made quite clear. The real guilty person is the school employee who is sharing it--but it may not even be someone within FCPS.


First off, some of the tests are not IQ but are what are called School Ability Index tests. IQ tests like the WISC are supposed to be given by a licensed psychologist and are generally only used for special education identification (not gifted screening). Most school systems don't use these because they are costly to administer. Instead school systems purchase tests like the Naglieri, the OLSAT, etc which aren't quite the same thing. These tests are available online, just google it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Sure there is. But you say it as though it's a bad thing, as though IQ were a bad thing, somehow taking as though people think it's the be all or end all (which nobody does) or alternately like it's somehow taking something away from the overall school experience (which it doesn't). 30% of the class might be working their little butts off and "doing well" and getting A's and that's fine and good. But 3-5% of the class could be doing even better, and potentially moving on to even more advanced and difficult material and still be "doing well". 3-5% of the class might be able to get A's with their eyes closed and are actually bored to tears while the others struggle and work hard for their A's. It's not about prestige or recognition, nobody gets a gold medal for IQ - it's about challenging students at an appropriate level of difficulty. Once people understand that, they no longer have the opinion that you do.




And, teachers were challenging the "extra smart" for years before the GT program. Even in a GT program, it may surprise you to know that some are significantly more gifted than others.


A handful were. Most weren't. Most teachers can't effectively differentiate in class and basically just teach to the middle and basically ignore the top and bottom performers.
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