Is St. John's Becoming an IMG?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:All,

This is a brand new idea…so it’s safe to say that whatever SJC promoted in the arts or STEM or whatever won’t be impacted immediately.

I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.

So that means an additional 200 student slots will be taken by athletes…which mean there are 200 fewer students that want to do arts or robotics or whatever non-sport ECs.

I have to believe they are doing this because they are losing top athletes to sports-focused academies like St James, IMG et al…and new ones seem to be popping up every day.

The AOL founder went to St. John’s and has donate a lot of money for STEM so no, STEM is not going away.

200 athletes is some insane madd up number

Relax mom and m sorry if your just bitter your child didn’t get in but they will be fine.

It’s adding up the number of athletes (including the 70 new football athletes) for all the sports where it’s reasonable to have national teams (including some women’s teams). Football and baseball alone put you at 100 athletes.

Nobody said STEM is going away…but if you don’t increase overall attendance at SJC it will definitely change the school.

The alleged 70 new football athletes aren't all coming in at one grade level but multiple levels - at least, that would be my guess. Most will be juniors and seniors that have proven themselves at another place. Bunch some will come in as freshman - what you don't think SJC recruits football players. What will end up happening is the kids with some talent but not physically ready (but maybe ready by senior year) will sit on the bench. Maybe that's why they are going allegedly going to the 2 team model - at least that's my hunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All,

This is a brand new idea…so it’s safe to say that whatever SJC promoted in the arts or STEM or whatever won’t be impacted immediately.

I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.

So that means an additional 200 student slots will be taken by athletes…which mean there are 200 fewer students that want to do arts or robotics or whatever non-sport ECs.

I have to believe they are doing this because they are losing top athletes to sports-focused academies like St James, IMG et al…and new ones seem to be popping up every day.

The AOL founder went to St. John’s and has donate a lot of money for STEM so no, STEM is not going away.

200 athletes is some insane madd up number

Relax mom and m sorry if your just bitter your child didn’t get in but they will be fine.

It’s adding up the number of athletes (including the 70 new football athletes) for all the sports where it’s reasonable to have national teams (including some women’s teams). Football and baseball alone put you at 100 athletes.

Nobody said STEM is going away…but if you don’t increase overall attendance at SJC it will definitely change the school.

The alleged 70 new football athletes aren't all coming in at one grade level but multiple levels - at least, that would be my guess. Most will be juniors and seniors that have proven themselves at another place. Bunch some will come in as freshman - what you don't think SJC recruits football players. What will end up happening is the kids with some talent but not physically ready (but maybe ready by senior year) will sit on the bench. Maybe that's why they are going allegedly going to the 2 team model - at least that's my hunch.

If this is the case, how exactly does this build community or help any particular deserving students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All,

I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.

This type of thing has been going on for basketball for at least 25 years when Hargrave Academy (with Stu Vetter) was coaching top 5 ranked HS basketball teams. This isn't any different than IMG, Spire, what the St. James wants to be, etc. I don't see how there is money in this type of school but there has to be otherwise they wouldn't last. There will be some schools that make it but there will be a lot of bad actors out there taking advantage of kids and delusional parents - the AAU circuit is filled with these type of programs. What's the old adage a fool and money are soon parted. Shrugs shoulders.

I saw that Highland school in VA has created an institutional NIL program for its HS athletes and one of their players, Nate Ament, signed a $250k NIL deal with Reebok.

My guess is that big money will start flowing to HS players and the schools themselves will help facilitate those deals and also receive sponsorship money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All,

I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.

This type of thing has been going on for basketball for at least 25 years when Hargrave Academy (with Stu Vetter) was coaching top 5 ranked HS basketball teams. This isn't any different than IMG, Spire, what the St. James wants to be, etc. I don't see how there is money in this type of school but there has to be otherwise they wouldn't last. There will be some schools that make it but there will be a lot of bad actors out there taking advantage of kids and delusional parents - the AAU circuit is filled with these type of programs. What's the old adage a fool and money are soon parted. Shrugs shoulders.

I saw that Highland school in VA has created an institutional NIL program for its HS athletes and one of their players, Nate Ament, signed a $250k NIL deal with Reebok.

My guess is that big money will start flowing to HS players and the schools themselves will help facilitate those deals and also receive sponsorship money.

And then in a few years, the bubble will burst. There are only so many ads people can see and only so many influencers they can follow.

I mean, are you going to start buying Reebok because some HS kid signed a deal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s telling that most of the kids in the Benilde program (academic support) are athletes. In fact, many of the coaches are tutors in this program. My daughter is an athlete at the school and reports that those recruited for varsity scholarships as freshman had HSPT scores in the 30% range - way below the norm!

You are an as_hole. Kids in the Benilde program are not all athletes. There is one coach who is a teacher in the program. The kids who are in Benilde have to score above 50 percent on the HSPT to be considered and they have to have a diagnosed learning difference. These kids don't get any other support besides extra time on their tests and executive function support. So if they are sooo dumb how are they doing the same work that your precious daughter does????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All,

I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.

This type of thing has been going on for basketball for at least 25 years when Hargrave Academy (with Stu Vetter) was coaching top 5 ranked HS basketball teams. This isn't any different than IMG, Spire, what the St. James wants to be, etc. I don't see how there is money in this type of school but there has to be otherwise they wouldn't last. There will be some schools that make it but there will be a lot of bad actors out there taking advantage of kids and delusional parents - the AAU circuit is filled with these type of programs. What's the old adage a fool and money are soon parted. Shrugs shoulders.

I saw that Highland school in VA has created an institutional NIL program for its HS athletes and one of their players, Nate Ament, signed a $250k NIL deal with Reebok.

My guess is that big money will start flowing to HS players and the schools themselves will help facilitate those deals and also receive sponsorship money.

And then in a few years, the bubble will burst. There are only so many ads people can see and only so many influencers they can follow.

I mean, are you going to start buying Reebok because some HS kid signed a deal?

Well...yeah, if the kid goes on to become an NBA star which is the bet they are making. Remember, a top HS basketball senior is only 2 years from jumping to the NBA. That's the thinking with Nate Ament. He will do his one-year in college, be a superstar, and then jump to the NBA like Cooper Flagg and countless other kids have done.

I don't see this bursting anytime soon unless they legislate something...which I also don't see happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s telling that most of the kids in the Benilde program (academic support) are athletes. In fact, many of the coaches are tutors in this program. My daughter is an athlete at the school and reports that those recruited for varsity scholarships as freshman had HSPT scores in the 30% range - way below the norm!

You are an as_hole. Kids in the Benilde program are not all athletes. There is one coach who is a teacher in the program. The kids who are in Benilde have to score above 50 percent on the HSPT to be considered and they have to have a diagnosed learning difference. These kids don't get any other support besides extra time on their tests and executive function support. So if they are sooo dumb how are they doing the same work that your precious daughter does????

Don't even reply to this lunatic. The daughter knows varsity scholarship freshman HSPT scores. Because that is what SJC does -- they report athlete HSPT scores to random PP's daughter.

BTW I had a non-athlete (very non-athlete) in Benilde. Such an amazing program and the one coach who is/was a teacher in Benilde if still there (Hi Coach G) is an all around amazing teacher and mentor to all of Benilde.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s telling that most of the kids in the Benilde program (academic support) are athletes. In fact, many of the coaches are tutors in this program. My daughter is an athlete at the school and reports that those recruited for varsity scholarships as freshman had HSPT scores in the 30% range - way below the norm!

You are an as_hole. Kids in the Benilde program are not all athletes. There is one coach who is a teacher in the program. The kids who are in Benilde have to score above 50 percent on the HSPT to be considered and they have to have a diagnosed learning difference. These kids don't get any other support besides extra time on their tests and executive function support. So if they are sooo dumb how are they doing the same work that your precious daughter does????

Don't even reply to this lunatic. The daughter knows varsity scholarship freshman HSPT scores. Because that is what SJC does -- they report athlete HSPT scores to random PP's daughter.

BTW I had a non-athlete (very non-athlete) in Benilde. Such an amazing program and the one coach who is/was a teacher in Benilde if still there (Hi Coach G) is an all around amazing teacher and mentor to all of Benilde.

A lot of statements in this thread are purposely false or misleading.

[Anonymous]

DD applied to SJC this year. I was initially concerned that it might not be the place for her given the focus on sports (especially boys sports). Over time I’ve been reassured by families who are there that there are many other strong aspects of the school (e.g. arts) and that poor behavior, even by top athletes, isn’t tolerated.

[Anonymous]

The girls’ sports teams are just as strong - if not stronger- than the boys’. And honestly, the school really does have something for everyone. My DC isn’t sporty at all, but they love SJC and are involved in lots of academic and arts-focused activities. At the same time, they’ve made great friends with plenty of athletic kids too, including some star athletes. The idea that students are all boxed into separate groups doesn’t really hold true at a school like SJC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The girls’ sports teams are just as strong - if not stronger- than the boys’. And honestly, the school really does have something for everyone. My DC isn’t sporty at all, but they love SJC and are involved in lots of academic and arts-focused activities. At the same time, they’ve made great friends with plenty of athletic kids too, including some star athletes. The idea that students are all boxed into separate groups doesn’t really hold true at a school like SJC.

I, too, have a DD applicant. She plays several sports but is not a star. My concern is that at SJC she won't be able to play because the teams are so intense. Is this a fair concern?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The girls’ sports teams are just as strong - if not stronger- than the boys’. And honestly, the school really does have something for everyone. My DC isn’t sporty at all, but they love SJC and are involved in lots of academic and arts-focused activities. At the same time, they’ve made great friends with plenty of athletic kids too, including some star athletes. The idea that students are all boxed into separate groups doesn’t really hold true at a school like SJC.

I, too, have a DD applicant. She plays several sports but is not a star. My concern is that at SJC she won't be able to play because the teams are so intense. Is this a fair concern?

This would be the issue at any high school in the area, public or private. Sports are competitive in this area, full stop. Every school (SJC included) has a couple of "no cut" teams. If she wants to be on a team but doesn't make her sport(s) of choice team(s), I would encourage her in this direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The girls’ sports teams are just as strong - if not stronger- than the boys’. And honestly, the school really does have something for everyone. My DC isn’t sporty at all, but they love SJC and are involved in lots of academic and arts-focused activities. At the same time, they’ve made great friends with plenty of athletic kids too, including some star athletes. The idea that students are all boxed into separate groups doesn’t really hold true at a school like SJC.

I, too, have a DD applicant. She plays several sports but is not a star. My concern is that at SJC she won't be able to play because the teams are so intense. Is this a fair concern?

This would be the issue at any high school in the area, public or private. Sports are competitive in this area, full stop. Every school (SJC included) has a couple of "no cut" teams. If she wants to be on a team but doesn't make her sport(s) of choice team(s), I would encourage her in this direction.

Which girls sports at SJC are the most intense in terms of requiring year-round commitment, club play with the coach's team, that sort of thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The girls’ sports teams are just as strong - if not stronger- than the boys’. And honestly, the school really does have something for everyone. My DC isn’t sporty at all, but they love SJC and are involved in lots of academic and arts-focused activities. At the same time, they’ve made great friends with plenty of athletic kids too, including some star athletes. The idea that students are all boxed into separate groups doesn’t really hold true at a school like SJC.

I, too, have a DD applicant. She plays several sports but is not a star. My concern is that at SJC she won't be able to play because the teams are so intense. Is this a fair concern?

Depends on the sport. Have you talked with any of the coaches yet? This is the first step.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The girls’ sports teams are just as strong - if not stronger- than the boys’. And honestly, the school really does have something for everyone. My DC isn’t sporty at all, but they love SJC and are involved in lots of academic and arts-focused activities. At the same time, they’ve made great friends with plenty of athletic kids too, including some star athletes. The idea that students are all boxed into separate groups doesn’t really hold true at a school like SJC.

I, too, have a DD applicant. She plays several sports but is not a star. My concern is that at SJC she won't be able to play because the teams are so intense. Is this a fair concern?

Depends on the sport. Have you talked with any of the coaches yet? This is the first step.

I have, but the picture is still very murky. Hence my question above about the most intense sports.