Wait, so now sunbutter/ sunflower seeds and oils are an allergen?

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

Ok, I think you're trolling at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

what? my kid isn't even sitting near your kid as he eats lunch. if my child was trying to shove peanut butter into your kid's mouth you might have a point, but, come on.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

what? my kid isn't even sitting near your kid as he eats lunch. if my child was trying to shove peanut butter into your kid's mouth you might have a point, but, come on.

Are you saying that your child will be monitored when they wash their hands and face and wipe their shirt off after lunch? Sounds good to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

what? my kid isn't even sitting near your kid as he eats lunch. if my child was trying to shove peanut butter into your kid's mouth you might have a point, but, come on.

Are you saying that your child will be monitored when they wash their hands and face and wipe their shirt off after lunch? Sounds good to me.

DP. You are crazy. Or a troll. I can't decide.

If your child's food allergy is so severe that *trace* amounts of an allergen on someone's face, hands, or clothes, could kill them, then presumably you don't take yoru child to any public spaces, right? No metro, no airports, no movie theaters, etc.? Because allergens aren't banned any of those places, and no one "monitors" people who eat allergens to ensure they decontaminate after exposure.

If this is the accommodation your child needs at school, presumably you are also taking these precautions elsewhere, right? Since your kid might die?

OR, do you take your kid all kinds of places where you have absolutely no idea whether people might have trace amounts of allergens on them, or whether surfaces have been recently washed. Because it turns out your child's allergy is not actually that severe, and you just love telling other parents what to do and throwing giant fits at your kid's school to force people to bend to your will? I bet it's this.

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I have a food allergy, have gone into anaphylaxis twice. I'm not a fan of banning foods in ES and above. It creates a false sense of safety. Just because no one is supposed to have the allergen doesn't mean someone won't accidentally bring it. Operating under the assumption that all the food around you is safe is what leads to kids eating things they shouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:The PP who wants everybody to comply with her crazy and unreasonable demands: you come across as unhinged, and with your attitude, you are unlikely to convince anybody to achieve the outcome you desire. It's probably coming from high levels of mom anxiety, which is understandable. I hope you're getting help with your mental health. Wish you and your child the best.

Nailed it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

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Which foods will you child die from if my child eats that food a few yards away? Let’s take a survey of all children in the state, and list all of those foods, and the no one will be allowed to eat any of them within the state of Maryland. Just to be safe. Because we don’t want anyone to die. And you’ll live if you can’t eat peanuts, tree nuts, dairy, eggs, wheat, soy, sesame, fish, shellfish, kiwis, bananas, mangoes, apples, chicken, peaches, beef, pork, lamb, or tomatoes.

Mic drop. End of thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

Are you always so absurdly melodramatic, or only on DCUM?

Never mind. Don’t answer that. We already know.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

what? my kid isn't even sitting near your kid as he eats lunch. if my child was trying to shove peanut butter into your kid's mouth you might have a point, but, come on.

Are you saying that your child will be monitored when they wash their hands and face and wipe their shirt off after lunch? Sounds good to me.

DP. You are crazy. Or a troll. I can't decide.

If your child's food allergy is so severe that *trace* amounts of an allergen on someone's face, hands, or clothes, could kill them, then presumably you don't take yoru child to any public spaces, right? No metro, no airports, no movie theaters, etc.? Because allergens aren't banned any of those places, and no one "monitors" people who eat allergens to ensure they decontaminate after exposure.

If this is the accommodation your child needs at school, presumably you are also taking these precautions elsewhere, right? Since your kid might die?

OR, do you take your kid all kinds of places where you have absolutely no idea whether people might have trace amounts of allergens on them, or whether surfaces have been recently washed. Because it turns out your child's allergy is not actually that severe, and you just love telling other parents what to do and throwing giant fits at your kid's school to force people to bend to your will? I bet it's this.

Why don’t you educate yourself on the most basic facts of food allergies before spouting off your insults?

Fact: Food allergies are completely unpredictable and a minor allergy’s can be severe when subsequently exposed to the same amount of allergen

You don’t know me at all yet here you are talking shit. You are a self righteous fool.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

what? my kid isn't even sitting near your kid as he eats lunch. if my child was trying to shove peanut butter into your kid's mouth you might have a point, but, come on.

Are you saying that your child will be monitored when they wash their hands and face and wipe their shirt off after lunch? Sounds good to me.

DP. You are crazy. Or a troll. I can't decide.

If your child's food allergy is so severe that *trace* amounts of an allergen on someone's face, hands, or clothes, could kill them, then presumably you don't take yoru child to any public spaces, right? No metro, no airports, no movie theaters, etc.? Because allergens aren't banned any of those places, and no one "monitors" people who eat allergens to ensure they decontaminate after exposure.

If this is the accommodation your child needs at school, presumably you are also taking these precautions elsewhere, right? Since your kid might die?

OR, do you take your kid all kinds of places where you have absolutely no idea whether people might have trace amounts of allergens on them, or whether surfaces have been recently washed. Because it turns out your child's allergy is not actually that severe, and you just love telling other parents what to do and throwing giant fits at your kid's school to force people to bend to your will? I bet it's this.

Why don’t you educate yourself on the most basic facts of food allergies before spouting off your insults?

Fact: Food allergies are completely unpredictable and a minor allergy’s can be severe when subsequently exposed to the same amount of allergen

You don’t know me at all yet here you are talking shit. You are a self righteous fool.

So your child does not spend time in public spaces? Since their allergy is unpredictable? And they could have a severe reaction to trace amounts, and you have zero control over whether people in stores and movie theaters and airports and museums may have trace amounts on them?

I'm totally fine having my kid's hand washing monitored after lunch for someone in that situation. I want kids to have access to an education and accomodations are important.

But the level of control over trace amounts you are suggesting indicates a kid who basically can't live a normal life, because trace amounts of allergens are everywhere. If it turns out that outside of school, your kid goes all kinds of places where that allergen could be, and you aren't exercising the same level of extreme caution you are requesting if me and my child, then I think you are just a control freak and a bully. Because if your child could actually die with exposure to trace amounts, then you'd be doing this other places, not just school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Agree. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Wow, that seems pretty harsh. I’m willing to be inconvenienced so that a child doesn’t end up in the hospital.

It’s more than an inconvenience to say you can’t bring several major ingredients for your own child’s lunch. The kids with severe allergies can have their own table were they are placed with enough distance to not contaminate each other’s areas. That is reasonable. Telling the whole school they can’t peanuts, soy, almonds, sunflower seeds, sesame, wheat, dairy, etc. for their own personal consumption in a lunch room is not reasonable.

Correct but this is why it's easier for schools and it's also lazy to say oh you just can't bring this in but they're not checking lunches, parents are not paying attention and even you have suggestions of a sneak it in because who is actually checking the lunches. The actual evidence-based interventions are hand-washing after lunch and cleaning the tables.
In the classroom they shouldn't share supplies and hand washing should happen after snacks it's literally that simple the problem is hand washing actually requires time and honestly from a allergy perspective and a non allergy perspective I would rather them focus on hand washing which would probably cut down on 50% of the colds and viruses that the kids exchange all the time.
I'm in allergy groups and we have the discussion all the time with parents of kids with allergies who want the school to be nut free completely disregarding that there are seven other top allergens and the school is not going to go dairy free or egg free. So there happens to be this prioritization of allergies where people are like oh well I understand the peanut but I don't understand wheat allergies they're all top nine. So again limiting one allergy from the school quote on quote because it doesn't actually work and nobody actually pays attention to it still limits the food choices of kids who have allergies and those that don't.

My kid had allergies to six things in elementary, none of them were top 9. And she was a picky eater. The peanut bans drove me crazy because she wasn't allergic and it was protein that she would eat. They never banned any of her allergens. The last thing she needed was another restriction.

The PP doesn't care about your kid though. She only cares about her kid and insists we all prioritize her kid over our own kids at all times, even when the things we're doing for her kid have minimal benefit to her kid and are a major burden to us and our kids. So your kid can eat Doritos and and a dog biscuit for lunch, whatever, who cares.

Once again let me repeat myself

You will survive if you can’t eat certain foods. My child can die if she gets exposed. The person who only cares about themselves is YOU.

You act as if it’s so easy. My child has been underweight his whole life despite my best, best efforts to get him to eat more foods. He is 10 and weighs 55lbs. One of the FEW high calorie , protein and fat rich foods he will eat is peanut butter. Thankfully his school is reasonable and just has kids not share food and has an allergy table available that doesn’t allow nuts, and a second one that doesn’t allow dairy, since those are the 2 anaphylactic allergies present at his school. Kids with severe allergy where contact or breathing in particles will harm them, can sit there with any buddies who packed a nut or dairy free lunch. Problem solved- your kid can eat safely and so can mine. Without telling my kid he isn’t allowed to eat something because SOMEONE ELSE is allergic to it.

Oh so YOUR child’s health issues are to be prioritized to the point of potential death of my own kid while you call me reasonable. How convenient for you.

what? my kid isn't even sitting near your kid as he eats lunch. if my child was trying to shove peanut butter into your kid's mouth you might have a point, but, come on.

Are you saying that your child will be monitored when they wash their hands and face and wipe their shirt off after lunch? Sounds good to me.

DP. You are crazy. Or a troll. I can't decide.

If your child's food allergy is so severe that *trace* amounts of an allergen on someone's face, hands, or clothes, could kill them, then presumably you don't take yoru child to any public spaces, right? No metro, no airports, no movie theaters, etc.? Because allergens aren't banned any of those places, and no one "monitors" people who eat allergens to ensure they decontaminate after exposure.

If this is the accommodation your child needs at school, presumably you are also taking these precautions elsewhere, right? Since your kid might die?

OR, do you take your kid all kinds of places where you have absolutely no idea whether people might have trace amounts of allergens on them, or whether surfaces have been recently washed. Because it turns out your child's allergy is not actually that severe, and you just love telling other parents what to do and throwing giant fits at your kid's school to force people to bend to your will? I bet it's this.

Why don’t you educate yourself on the most basic facts of food allergies before spouting off your insults?

Fact: Food allergies are completely unpredictable and a minor allergy’s can be severe when subsequently exposed to the same amount of allergen

You don’t know me at all yet here you are talking shit. You are a self righteous fool.

I am not the PP but look- even if you have your child’s school practice frequent handwashing after meals- which I think most of us would be ok with- as well as handwashing upon entering the school, that would make things safer for your child (but not perfect unless you also ask the kids to change out of the clothes they wore while eating breakfast, and again after eating lunch, because kids are messy). But it wouldn’t be perfect if you’re talking about trace amounts. And let’s say it actually was pretty perfect. That’s not a realistic environment , right? Outside of the tightly controlled school? So I would worry about this creating a false sense of security for my child, thinking he could skip into a communal eating environment, throw his packed lunch down on a table without cleaning the table, and eat with zero precautions. Because if he is, as you state, going to die from a trace exposure, he needs to unfortunately learn to be extremely vigilant from a young age. I wouldn’t want him to think eating in a cafeteria was safe for him to do. Because it isn’t! I’d pick him up for lunch every day because he’s gotta learn that he can’t eat next to anyone and that’s not fair but that’s his life and he needs to accept it with grace.

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Such empathy. You must live such a blessed life, one that never inconveniences others. So lucky!

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Anonymous wrote:I am over other people’s allergies. Schools can separate kids that have extreme allergies to their own table/room.

Such empathy. You must live such a blessed life, one that never inconveniences others. So lucky!

Honest question- if a child has severe allergies where he can’t be anywhere near someone eating or having recently eaten the allergen, what is your solution? If not separating him from anyone else who is eating, and teaching him vigilance? I don’t think that’s lacking empathy I think it’s realistic. It’s actually teaching him what he needs to do to survive- never be near anyone else who is eating. If that’s the level of allergy you claim your child to have- trace amounts being lethal if he touches a contaminated surface- then you need to teach him absolute vigilance and absolutely teach him that other people eating are not safe for him to be near. Period!

If his allergy is way less severe than that, then just not eating other people’s food should suffice in which case all of these food bans and allergy tables and school wide handwashing after lunch policies should be unnecessary.