20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have normalized this behavior in America. You can thank the MAGA cult. Yes, you can.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-regularly-happens-2/

MADISON, WI—In the hours following a violent rampage in Wisconsin in which a lone attacker killed at least two individuals and injured six others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Maryland resident Jonathan Pallard, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.

Indeed.
I really thought we would say “enough” after Sandy Hook. But we didn’t and now it feels like Americans are too incompetent to address getting guns under control. Mind boggling.

[Anonymous]

Criminals do NOT obey laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have normalized this behavior in America. You can thank the MAGA cult. Yes, you can.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-regularly-happens-2/

MADISON, WI—In the hours following a violent rampage in Wisconsin in which a lone attacker killed at least two individuals and injured six others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Maryland resident Jonathan Pallard, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.

Indeed.
I really thought we would say “enough” after Sandy Hook. But we didn’t and now it feels like Americans are too incompetent to address getting guns under control. Mind boggling.

I remember crying in my office after Sandy Hook. I had a 1 year old at the time. But now I have a teenager and nothing has changed, and that just makes me angry at those who think their gun rights are more important than our kids' safety.

[Anonymous]

We should all place blame on ourselves. It's our collective society. Yes - EVERY ONE of us. The guy disliked Trump. You can blame Trump. You can blame everyone who hates Trump. You can blame the GOP and NRA but you also have to blame all of us who contribute to the culture of the American society in 2025. We don't help one another, we don't support families as a culture, we don't believe in unity - we only believe in independence being the end all and be all.

Of course it's mental illness but there has always been. Of course it's access to guns, but there always was. Of course it's the combo that leads to all these mass shooting and there always will be. It will never change because none of us will ever blame ourselves, only each other.

Not sure of the answer and likely, will never be one. Only feel that it will continue and maybe the crux of our culture will be so destructive in so many ways that we can start with a new one in the not too distant future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

But Minnesota has a red flag law so anyone could have reported him and his guns would have been taken away from him. I wonder if anyone made a report. I wish more people knew about these red flag laws. Maryland has one FYI so if you know of someone in a mental health crisis please report them so their guns can be taken away.

Yes. He came from a large, close, and supportive family (based on his own words) along with having friends. He speaks of all of that in the goodbye letter he left. No one noticed anything or reported this behavior? Why not????

Did you watch the video? Clearly parents that use the internet to raise him.

Does anyone still have any doubt that social media is toxic?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if he is pro or anti-Trump. It doesn't matter what his sexual orientation or identity is. None of that matters.

If he didn't have access to guns, he couldn't have killed to innocent children. He couldn't have shot over a dozen others.

Anyone who does not see this, is complicit.

Mentality deranged people should not have access to guns. The signs were there

No citizen should. Period. People are fine before they have mental breakdowns. Our mental health care sucks. All our health care sucks. Even if it didn't, why should anyone have access to automatic weapons?? It doesn't matter what a person's politics are. I am so sick of this. Those poor children.

Then we have to agree to disagree. The vast majority of people can be trusted with guns.

Who has the responsibility to determine that? What if this guy presented as completely normal and trustworthy? What if someone is as stable as can be and then has a psychotic episode? What if someone is a charming in-control sociopath who can fool anyone, including a salesman looking to earn his wages in the Walmart gun department? What do you say then? "Oooops! Sorry, kids are dead. Walmart guy's bad." You are part of the problem if you voted for this. The blood is on your hands.

Read up on this guy. There were many, many warnings. A lot of news is coming out now.

Exactly. Red flags are ALWAYS there.

Very few Americans seem to care about red flags--but definitely in the last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should all place blame on ourselves. It's our collective society. Yes - EVERY ONE of us. The guy disliked Trump. You can blame Trump. You can blame everyone who hates Trump. You can blame the GOP and NRA but you also have to blame all of us who contribute to the culture of the American society in 2025. We don't help one another, we don't support families as a culture, we don't believe in unity - we only believe in independence being the end all and be all.

Of course it's mental illness but there has always been. Of course it's access to guns, but there always was. Of course it's the combo that leads to all these mass shooting and there always will be. It will never change because none of us will ever blame ourselves, only each other.

Not sure of the answer and likely, will never be one. Only feel that it will continue and maybe the crux of our culture will be so destructive in so many ways that we can start with a new one in the not too distant future.

+1 to all of this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if he is pro or anti-Trump. It doesn't matter what his sexual orientation or identity is. None of that matters.

If he didn't have access to guns, he couldn't have killed to innocent children. He couldn't have shot over a dozen others.

Anyone who does not see this, is complicit.

Mentality deranged people should not have access to guns. The signs were there

No citizen should. Period. People are fine before they have mental breakdowns. Our mental health care sucks. All our health care sucks. Even if it didn't, why should anyone have access to automatic weapons?? It doesn't matter what a person's politics are. I am so sick of this. Those poor children.

Then we have to agree to disagree. The vast majority of people can be trusted with guns.

Why do you need an automatic weapon?

No indication any automatic weapon was used.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have normalized this behavior in America. You can thank the MAGA cult. Yes, you can.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-regularly-happens-2/

MADISON, WI—In the hours following a violent rampage in Wisconsin in which a lone attacker killed at least two individuals and injured six others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Maryland resident Jonathan Pallard, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.

Indeed.
I really thought we would say “enough” after Sandy Hook. But we didn’t and now it feels like Americans are too incompetent to address getting guns under control. Mind boggling.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am of the firm belief that two things can be true at once. Mental Illness is a problem, lack of gun control is a problem, the mentally ill having access to guns is a disaster. Whenever these mass shootings happen the killer is always obviously insane.

It’s a problem when the DSM is revised based on political reasons and “compassion,” not science. Yesterday’s definition of mentally ill has been revised for political reasons. And everyone suffers, including these little kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The suspect in the Minneapolis, Minnesota, shooting at a Catholic school and church has been identified as Robin Westman, who posted a manifesto on social media just two hours ago, including a video showing the words “kill Donald Trump” written on a gun.

A confirmed white male. I’m not surprised.

A confirmed trump-hater who targeted Catholic children. I’m not surprised.

I'm not surprised that you will make this about your disgusting politics instead of a country with easily accessible guns that are killing our children, STFU!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am of the firm belief that two things can be true at once. Mental Illness is a problem, lack of gun control is a problem, the mentally ill having access to guns is a disaster. Whenever these mass shootings happen the killer is always obviously insane.

It’s a problem when the DSM is revised based on political reasons and “compassion,” not science. Yesterday’s definition of mentally ill has been revised for political reasons. And everyone suffers, including these little kids.

Exactly. The crazies want mental illness normalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The suspect in the Minneapolis, Minnesota, shooting at a Catholic school and church has been identified as Robin Westman, who posted a manifesto on social media just two hours ago, including a video showing the words “kill Donald Trump” written on a gun.

A confirmed white male. I’m not surprised.

A confirmed trump-hater who targeted Catholic children. I’m not surprised.

I'm not surprised that you will make this about your disgusting politics instead of a country with easily accessible guns that are killing our children, STFU!

I'm not surprised that you will make this about your disgusting gun politics instead of a country with easily accessible drugs and internet that are killing our children, STFU!