Are you brave enough to fly?

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

Weird that out of all 5 airplane incidents, the only one they attribute to pilot error is the Army helicopter. I wonder why.

I don’t think they have issued the final report yet. All these crash will be placed on the ATC DEI hires. Trump will have final say on the report and we will never know the reason for the crashes.

This is what scares me the most the lack of honesty and transparency. He wants to be a dictator and MAGA is too uneducated or unaware to realize that he could care less about the American people.

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

There was zero US federal employees on duty in Canadian airport or on board of commercial aircraft that flipped. Zero.

It was one of Musk’s wonder boys hacking in to the aircraft.

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No stop with your fake trump propaganda ans get a job.

I love how you derived Trump propaganda from me saying air travel is safe and no ATCs were laid off. Your brain works in a very fascinating way.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s an old Silicon Valley truism that rewriting or refactoring code is a trap.

You imagine clean lines of concise engineered code much easier to read and maintain.

But don’t realize that that extra bobs and bits were edge cases the idealized algorithm can’t handle, or real world limitations of hardware or meatspace, and have rolled back stability to V1.0 BETA.

Facebook still runs PHP. It’s also why banks have old mainframes. Replacing a complex, public safety system in real time while in use?

I’m getting a Winnebago.

I am by no means an IT expert but I have done programming in the past (mostly math related stuff including a dive into R) and I have done bits of coding (like custom functions in google sheets). I also worked in an IT support role and came to realize that all these coders out there (our different contractor units) dealt with small pieces of much bigger platforms and problems would come up when someone's external bot didn't understand the environment it was doing things in--I had this poor guy who was stuck manually rerouting major alerts for servers for a power generation company to another team more than 100 times a day. This had gone on for months and every so often he would put in a ticket for the problem and it would just die somewhere. The team responsible for the bot said plaintively that they didn't know what the other system needed. I ended up having to track down upper level managers who had the ability to get midlevel people for the different teams to talk to each other, although I got moved out of that unit before ever finding out if the guy's problem ever got fixed. And I was literally bottom tier tech support.

My grasp on the idea of object-orienting programming is that this is what enabled different platforms to talk to each other, but the downside is nobody knows how anything works from the ground up. I suspect coders are more or less like repair technicians who pull out a module and stick in another module but if there is a more subtle problem going on they have no ability to figure it out.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what the president plans for air traffic control:

We're all gonna sit down and do a great computerized system for our control towers. Brand new. Not pieced together, obsolete, like it is, land-based. Trying to hook up a land-based system to a satellite system. The first thing that some experts told me when this happened is you can't hook up land to satellites and you can't hook up satellites to land. It doesn't work. We spend billions of billions of dollars trying to renovate an old, broken system, instead of just saying cut it loose, and let's spend less money and build a great system done by two or three companies, very good companies, specialists, that's all it is. They used 39 companies. That means that 39 different hookups have to happen. And I don't know how many people of you are good in terms of all of the kinds of things necessary for that. And it's very complex stuff. But when you have 39 different companies working on hooking up different cities at different people. You need one company. With one set of equipment. And there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems. And they would've, bells would've gone off when that helicopter literally even hit the same height. Because it traveled a long distance before it hit. It was just like, just wouldn't stop. Follow the line. But bells and whistles would've gone off. They have 'em where it actually could virtually turn the thing around. It would've just never happened if we had the right equipment.
And one of things that's gonna be, l'm gonna speaking to John and to Mike and to Chuck and everybody, we have to get together and just as a single bill just pass where we get the best control system. When I land in my plane, privately, l use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I'm landing in New York and I'm using a sys- I won't tell you what country, but l use a system from another country because the captain says 'This thing is so bad, it's so obsolete.' And we can't have that.

Forbes:
It’s unclear what the president meant by “a system from another country” as private jets landing at U.S. airports use the federal air traffic control (ATC) system unless the airport is so small that it does not have a tower.

Trump referred to “landing in New York” but all three major New York City airports and the Morristown Municipal Airport, the closest airport to the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., have ATC towers.

“All aircraft work with ATC—the electronics that they use to receive navigation information can vary, but they have to meet the same criteria,” aviation safety expert and retired commercial airline pilot John Cox told Forbes in an email.

Two other aviation safety experts who did not wish to be named told Forbes they had no idea what the president was talking about.


I wondered what he could possibly even mean, so I am glad to hear the experts don't know either.

[Anonymous]

The White House announced Thursday it was allocating nearly $1 billion in federal funding for infrastructure projects to modernize 114 U.S. airports across 44 states and three territories.

This was Feb 2024, part of Biden's infrastructure bill. The actual total for airport infrastructure was 25 billion.

But Trump is going to let Elon take it all over and run it on his own I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:The White House announced Thursday it was allocating nearly $1 billion in federal funding for infrastructure projects to modernize 114 U.S. airports across 44 states and three territories.

This was Feb 2024, part of Biden's infrastructure bill. The actual total for airport infrastructure was 25 billion.

But Trump is going to let Elon take it all over and run it on his own I guess.

Just saved us tax payers another $24 billion. Love this crew

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Anonymous wrote:The White House announced Thursday it was allocating nearly $1 billion in federal funding for infrastructure projects to modernize 114 U.S. airports across 44 states and three territories.

This was Feb 2024, part of Biden's infrastructure bill. The actual total for airport infrastructure was 25 billion.

But Trump is going to let Elon take it all over and run it on his own I guess.

Just saved us tax payers another $24 billion. Love this crew

I know it’s off topic, but National Parks (which brought in over $50 billion in revenue in 2023, or so I’ve read) are delaying reservation systems in light of firings. Without transparency and oversight and cost-benefit analysis we really have no idea what is saved and what is spent.

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Anonymous wrote:The White House announced Thursday it was allocating nearly $1 billion in federal funding for infrastructure projects to modernize 114 U.S. airports across 44 states and three territories.

This was Feb 2024, part of Biden's infrastructure bill. The actual total for airport infrastructure was 25 billion.

But Trump is going to let Elon take it all over and run it on his own I guess.

Just saved us tax payers another $24 billion. Love this crew

You must be really gullible. Have you sent any money to Nigerian princes?

[Anonymous]

No, I am not brave enough to fly. I have never liked flying and what’s happening now has caused me to cancel a trip that I can only get to by flying. It was one thing when I could calm my fears with the knowledge that flying was as safe as driving because of competent people had the helm, but that bubble is now burst. Popped.

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Anonymous wrote:The White House announced Thursday it was allocating nearly $1 billion in federal funding for infrastructure projects to modernize 114 U.S. airports across 44 states and three territories.

This was Feb 2024, part of Biden's infrastructure bill. The actual total for airport infrastructure was 25 billion.

But Trump is going to let Elon take it all over and run it on his own I guess.

Just saved us tax payers another $24 billion. Love this crew

You must be really gullible. Have you sent any money to Nigerian princes?

A. Sarcasm
B. No, but I just inherited $84 million dollars from one, just sent them my banking info to send me the wire. In case you are really really thick headed, this is sarcasm as well.

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Of course. The DCA incident was due to factors that have been a potential for decades. Nothing new.
The incident in Toronto had nothing to do with the FAA or any US agency.

No air traffic control personnel were RIF’d. The sky is not falling, hence, I will still fly.

[Anonymous]

Yet another plane crash

https://www.kgun9.com/news/community-inspired-journalism/marana/marana-regional-airport-confirms-crash-wednesday-morning

Let’s keep cutting the FAA and see how many more we can get!

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Anonymous wrote:Of course. The DCA incident was due to factors that have been a potential for decades. Nothing new.
The incident in Toronto had nothing to do with the FAA or any US agency.

No air traffic control personnel were RIF’d. The sky is not falling, hence, I will still fly.

People are saying it was Musk’s boys editing navigation software.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course. The DCA incident was due to factors that have been a potential for decades. Nothing new.
The incident in Toronto had nothing to do with the FAA or any US agency.

No air traffic control personnel were RIF’d. The sky is not falling, hence, I will still fly.

People are saying it was Musk’s boys editing navigation software.

Probably my mother in law. Sounds like some crap she would make up.