why is MoCo so dumpy now?

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Anonymous wrote:Lived in MoCo (Silver Spring) for 20 years and have been thinking the same thing as OP recently. Even areas that used to be relatively attractive - parks, shopping centers, even medians - look so trashy. Driving in downtown Bethesda today and yes, a lot of growth and building but also a ton of congestion. Rockville / north Bethesda is the same.

It’s depressing. My kids have a lot going on in the area so I am hesitant to move. But if they didn’t I’d be heading to Howard County or elsewhere - potentially NoVa. Montgomery County has really gone downhill and it’s sad to say that as someone who really loved it here.

Yes, when you drive in successful urbanized areas, there will be traffic congestion. I avoid the traffic congestion in downtown Bethesda by taking Metro and/or walking or biking.

The congestion is a result of terrible planning. Big apartment buildings and offices but the same streets and parking. Poor planning.

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Yall just won’t stop complaining. Downtown Bethesda is super fancy and booming with business. With successful business comes growth and traffic yes. And metro and the purple line aim to ameliorate the increase in car traffic. Or would you prefer no business and no traffic? Make up your mind…

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody that complains about MoCo without acknowledging that Arlington has the same issues is being dishonest. Arlington has awful cookie cutter houses just like northern Bethesda and east rockville/silver spring. Outside the wealthy areas in North Arlington, Arlington is equally dumpy.

On top of that, it’s a mess of highways and strip malls. Nothing aesthetic about it

Fairfax is the same: has nice areas but it’s bad urban planning

Lastly, I wonder the type of person that complains about MoCo like this: are yall retirees in MoCo? I don’t have a reason to cross the bridges to NoVa except for the airports. I literally never think about NoVa in my daily life. Do y’all travel to MoCo for work? So weird. These threads always sound like y’all got a chip on your shoulder.

And the Bethesda compound comment is just peak DCUM. I’m sure your kids are real well-adjusted with that attitude…

NP. It's fair to compare similar areas in the same metro area. NoVa courts Fortune 500s and other job-creating business while MoCo courts illegal aliens and the results are clear.

Nova troll is back. Guess what, nova’s job growth is anemic, not much different than moco. Shiny amazon buildings don’t change that. North Arlington and Bethesda are remarkably similar, as are south Arlington and silver spring. It is even the same with respect to Costco: I know people in north Arlington who will only go to south Arlington for costco, just like the Bethesda folks with the Wheaton Costco.

That was me and I live in Rockville. And are you kidding? Tysons is full of sky-scraper-building cranes while the White Flint Crater just sits there year after year.

If you like looking at cranes, drive to Bethesda sometime. Geez, even Silver Spring has cranes everywhere. White Flint is an odd example, as it was the Lerners who basically caused that site to be a dead zone. Of course, you would know all of this if you actually lived in moco, but I doubt you do.

You're comparing Tysons (a Fortune 500 magnet) with Silver Spring (known more for weekly shootings than business)? Come on man.

As for White Flint, it looks like we agree that MoCo leadership is so weak, they let the crater just sit there instead of pressuring Lerner into doing something with it.

Does anyone actually want to live in Tysons?
Come on man!

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Anonymous wrote:Yall just won’t stop complaining. Downtown Bethesda is super fancy and booming with business. With successful business comes growth and traffic yes. And metro and the purple line aim to ameliorate the increase in car traffic. Or would you prefer no business and no traffic? Make up your mind…

I hope better dining comes in. Need some music too. A few good places...

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody that complains about MoCo without acknowledging that Arlington has the same issues is being dishonest. Arlington has awful cookie cutter houses just like northern Bethesda and east rockville/silver spring. Outside the wealthy areas in North Arlington, Arlington is equally dumpy.

On top of that, it’s a mess of highways and strip malls. Nothing aesthetic about it

Fairfax is the same: has nice areas but it’s bad urban planning

Lastly, I wonder the type of person that complains about MoCo like this: are yall retirees in MoCo? I don’t have a reason to cross the bridges to NoVa except for the airports. I literally never think about NoVa in my daily life. Do y’all travel to MoCo for work? So weird. These threads always sound like y’all got a chip on your shoulder.

And the Bethesda compound comment is just peak DCUM. I’m sure your kids are real well-adjusted with that attitude…

NP. It's fair to compare similar areas in the same metro area. NoVa courts Fortune 500s and other job-creating business while MoCo courts illegal aliens and the results are clear.

Nova troll is back. Guess what, nova’s job growth is anemic, not much different than moco. Shiny amazon buildings don’t change that. North Arlington and Bethesda are remarkably similar, as are south Arlington and silver spring. It is even the same with respect to Costco: I know people in north Arlington who will only go to south Arlington for costco, just like the Bethesda folks with the Wheaton Costco.

That was me and I live in Rockville. And are you kidding? Tysons is full of sky-scraper-building cranes while the White Flint Crater just sits there year after year.

If you like looking at cranes, drive to Bethesda sometime. Geez, even Silver Spring has cranes everywhere. White Flint is an odd example, as it was the Lerners who basically caused that site to be a dead zone. Of course, you would know all of this if you actually lived in moco, but I doubt you do.

You're comparing Tysons (a Fortune 500 magnet) with Silver Spring (known more for weekly shootings than business)? Come on man.

As for White Flint, it looks like we agree that MoCo leadership is so weak, they let the crater just sit there instead of pressuring Lerner into doing something with it.

Someone else was saying that moco has no cranes and that there are only cranes in Tyson’s apparently. So I was responding to that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Go the Starbucks in Rockville Town Center any morning on the weekend.

What a decrepit cesspit. I feel so, sooooo sorry for those young folks who've gotta work there at that time and who have to deal with all of the creatures that hang out there for hours at that time. All of those poor young women who are probably 23, 5 foot nothing and 100 lbs of nothing must feel extremely uncomfortable with all of the looney bins high out of their minds from their fentanyl benders the night before. MoCo is such a nasty pit of despair. Not only is there physical trash all over junking up the place, MoCoites are pretty trashy people themelves. Only a matter of time before a small female employee at the Starbucks in RTC is attacked by a nasty junkie and the company is sued.

You really need to live out your dream of living in a high rise apartment along leesburg pike in Tyson’s. It’s your personal utopia, so what are you waiting for?

You should worry more about the junkies all over RTC. Why do you think RTC has been a commerical disaster for going on what, the last 20 years? No one wants to patronize a junk yard filled with fentanyl addicts. MoCo is a dump.

RTC is in a poor part of Rockville. Rockville itself is OK in the parts near North Bethesda but once you get that far out near Wheaton, it’s low income.

If you are comparing RTC to north Arlington or McLean, you are hopelessly clueless.

Maybe brush up on your MoCo geography.

RTC is really close to Wheaton. That part of Rockville borders Wheaton. Sorry that you chose to live near RTC without doing your research. But comparing RTC to Arlington or McLean is the ultimate apples to oranges comparison.

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What? Rockville Town Center and surrounding area does not border Wheaton. You should take out a map.

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Anonymous wrote:Go the Starbucks in Rockville Town Center any morning on the weekend.

What a decrepit cesspit. I feel so, sooooo sorry for those young folks who've gotta work there at that time and who have to deal with all of the creatures that hang out there for hours at that time. All of those poor young women who are probably 23, 5 foot nothing and 100 lbs of nothing must feel extremely uncomfortable with all of the looney bins high out of their minds from their fentanyl benders the night before. MoCo is such a nasty pit of despair. Not only is there physical trash all over junking up the place, MoCoites are pretty trashy people themelves. Only a matter of time before a small female employee at the Starbucks in RTC is attacked by a nasty junkie and the company is sued.

You really need to live out your dream of living in a high rise apartment along leesburg pike in Tyson’s. It’s your personal utopia, so what are you waiting for?

You should worry more about the junkies all over RTC. Why do you think RTC has been a commerical disaster for going on what, the last 20 years? No one wants to patronize a junk yard filled with fentanyl addicts. MoCo is a dump.

RTC is in a poor part of Rockville. Rockville itself is OK in the parts near North Bethesda but once you get that far out near Wheaton, it’s low income.

If you are comparing RTC to north Arlington or McLean, you are hopelessly clueless.

Maybe brush up on your MoCo geography.

RTC is really close to Wheaton. That part of Rockville borders Wheaton. Sorry that you chose to live near RTC without doing your research. But comparing RTC to Arlington or McLean is the ultimate apples to oranges comparison.

lol it does not border Wheaton ya bonehead

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I prefer Wheaton to Rockville any time. Wheaton has lots more variety of shops & restaurants. Easy parking. Yes, lots of "people of color" but surprise! Very low crime. Hardworking people who obey the law and want to live the American Dream.

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Anonymous wrote:I prefer Wheaton to Rockville any time. Wheaton has lots more variety of shops & restaurants. Easy parking. Yes, lots of "people of color" but surprise! Very low crime. Hardworking people who obey the law and want to live the American Dream.

Don’t forget the gangs. Wonderful diversity!

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Anonymous wrote:I think the citizenship test should cover garbage disposal and recycling.

This is a good idea!

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, it's part of Maryland. Maryland as a whole has been in decline for two decades.

CNBC just showed it...

1. Virginia.
31. Maryland.

yet MD is still wealthier and more educated. Go figure.

What is this ranking?

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Anonymous wrote:Yall just won’t stop complaining. Downtown Bethesda is super fancy and booming with business. With successful business comes growth and traffic yes. And metro and the purple line aim to ameliorate the increase in car traffic. Or would you prefer no business and no traffic? Make up your mind…

Great, so Bethesda is booming and successful. What about the rest of the county? Even driving to Bethesda yesterday along Connecticut - trash, closed stores overgrown grass at medians, panhandlers. … It’s everywhere like this. Rockville same. Silver Spring even areas that were once really nice, same. Gaithersburg - parts of it seem nice. Shady Grove, a mixed bag. But on the whole, the county is becoming less attractive and you can’t help but notice the closed shops, the old roads, and certainly the hole left by what was White Flint mall.

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Anonymous wrote:So much arrogrant racism and classism in this thread. And I have to wonder with some of it how long *your* families have actually lived in the US.

How is pointing out how much trash is thrown on the street or in parks racist and classist? I'm sorry, but I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who liters and/or dumps. They are the lowest of the low scum on the planet.

Here's a helpful guide.

Not racist or classist: Littering is bad.
Not racist or classist: I don't like to see litter.
Not racist or classist: I don't like people who litter.
Not racist or classist: I see a lot of litter in [place].
Racist or classist: [Areas where poor and/or non-white people live] are dumps.

NP - You can't deny that people who grew up in third world countries have different expectations for behavior. Parts of MoCo are 30%+ foreign born (and that, of course, doesn't include their U.S. born children. We are overwhelmed and can't acculturate people fast enough, so yes, things are starting to appear more and more like the third world. Is that racist?

Yes. "Foreign-born people and their US-born children litter" is a racist statement.

OK - sure. Go travel in Central America, Africa, and parts of Asia and the Caribbean and let me know what you see...

No where did I say that people can't learn new behavior or that it was based on their genetics. It is part of their culture.

"It's part of Central American/African/Asian/Caribbean culture to litter" is also a racist statement.

Travel to the US South, it's also southern culture to litter. Maryland looks almost spotless in comparison. Source: I am from Georgia.

It’s not “Southern culture” to litter. It may be the culture of some groups that live in the South.

+1. I spend a lot of time in the Deep South in areas that are not affluent. They are very clean and well maintained compared to my local environment in AA and PG county.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall just won’t stop complaining. Downtown Bethesda is super fancy and booming with business. With successful business comes growth and traffic yes. And metro and the purple line aim to ameliorate the increase in car traffic. Or would you prefer no business and no traffic? Make up your mind…

Great, so Bethesda is booming and successful. What about the rest of the county? Even driving to Bethesda yesterday along Connecticut - trash, closed stores overgrown grass at medians, panhandlers. … It’s everywhere like this. Rockville same. Silver Spring even areas that were once really nice, same. Gaithersburg - parts of it seem nice. Shady Grove, a mixed bag. But on the whole, the county is becoming less attractive and you can’t help but notice the closed shops, the old roads, and certainly the hole left by what was White Flint mall.

When you look for bad things, you find bad things. When you look for good things, you find good things. Have you considered trying to look for good things?