Did private schools get a bump in elite college admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

Since you went through all the trouble to count up the JR statistics from Instagram, why don't you actually count up the statistics from the Big 3 schools and report back.

Weird you would go through so much effort on JR, but then say that Big3 schools send 15% - 25% of their classes to Ivies. Maybe you are correct, but at least employ the same level of detail you decided to do for JR.

BTW, JR definitely had over 20 kids to go an Ivy (my own never posted as well as several friends), and less than 30...probably around 25.

Also, it is a large, urban comprehensive public school. I mean, 300 of the 421 kids know they aren't Ivy material and didn't even remotely consider applying.

Why aren't you looking at Walls or Whitman which is far better comparison in terms of demographics compared to a Big3 private school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

How about the well regarded publics like Arlington, W schools, McLean, Langley, Oakton, TJ, Poole? The honor/AP kids from these publics do well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

How about the well regarded publics like Arlington, W schools, McLean, Langley, Oakton, TJ, Poole? The honor/AP kids from these publics do well.

W school students don’t do as well as Big 3/5 private schools. You can read about it here: https://moco360.media/2023/09/13/where-montgomery-county-high-school-graduates-are-going-to-college/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Except you aren't actually providing data. How many unhooked kids from Big 3 schools were accepted into the Ivy schools? If you read posts from other Big3 parents...literally somebody said that STA did not have a single unhooked kid go to an Ivy school for 2023. I don't know if that is true.

You may be correct, but nobody publishes the actual data. There are no Facts of which you speak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Except you aren't actually providing data. How many unhooked kids from Big 3 schools were accepted into the Ivy schools? If you read posts from other Big3 parents...literally somebody said that STA did not have a single unhooked kid go to an Ivy school for 2023. I don't know if that is true.

You may be correct, but nobody publishes the actual data. There are no Facts of which you speak.

The numbers provided are facts. They don’t conform to your worldview, so you don’t like the facts provided. That’s your problem.

Btw, how many of the JR Ivy admits are hooked? At least 1/7 posted. I’m sure there are a few legacies in there too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

How about the well regarded publics like Arlington, W schools, McLean, Langley, Oakton, TJ, Poole? The honor/AP kids from these publics do well.

W school students don’t do as well as Big 3/5 private schools. You can read about it here: https://moco360.media/2023/09/13/where-montgomery-county-high-school-graduates-are-going-to-college/

But who's keeping score, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Private school has taught my DCs how to study efficiently, how to prepare and present materials effectively, how to problem solve and so much more. I also like that there are no AP classes and they are not swamped with busy work at their private. We didn’t send them to private for college admissions but my oldest with a 3.5 UW GPA got into 3 top 50 schools. I don’t think that would have happened from a public school.

There are quite a few very high acceptance rate colleges in the Top 50. Not sure why public students you refer would struggle with Top 50 admissions if ranking is literally all that matters.

What schools in the top 50 have “very high acceptance rates”? Last I checked none.

Rutgers - #40; 66% acceptance
Wisconsin - #35; 49% acceptance
OSU - #43; 53% acceptance
Purdue - #43; 53% acceptance (much lower for STEM, which means higher for non-STEM)
Texas A&M - #47; 63% acceptance
Virgina Tech - #47; 57% acceptance

Liberal Arts
Depauw #46; 66%
Furman #46; 67%

I think anything that is 50%+ (with again, higher acceptances for the most part for non-STEM) are definitely in the wheelhouse.

Those stats aren’t telling the OOS acceptance rates which are usually a lot lower than in-state. Also interesting that they are all state schools which usually is not the aim for kids coming from a private unless it’s UCLA or Michigan. And no one considers the liberal arts schools when referencing the Top 50.

Np.
I imagine she meant “private T50.”

If you are at a private high school, you’re typically looking at private colleges and universities once outside of T35….

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Private HS kids are not going to Rutgers or OSU.

You are wrong - one independent all girls Catholic is sending a girl to OSU and another to Ole Miss. Don’t be a snob.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Except you aren't actually providing data. How many unhooked kids from Big 3 schools were accepted into the Ivy schools? If you read posts from other Big3 parents...literally somebody said that STA did not have a single unhooked kid go to an Ivy school for 2023. I don't know if that is true.

You may be correct, but nobody publishes the actual data. There are no Facts of which you speak.

The numbers provided are facts. They don’t conform to your worldview, so you don’t like the facts provided. That’s your problem.

Btw, how many of the JR Ivy admits are hooked? At least 1/7 posted. I’m sure there are a few legacies in there too.

What numbers, what facts? Did the schools publish a list of 2023 matriculations and the number of students attending? Did they publish information like Harvard Westlake that actually lists how many of the admits were athletes or legacy (not URM...but close)?

Please, post the Fact sheets from the schools. I don't even know what "numbers provided" even means? What numbers provided?

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Here is what I want to see from STA, GDS, NCS and Sidwell:

https://www.bullis.org/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculation

These are the only true "Numbers" or "Facts" that I can find.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

Since you went through all the trouble to count up the JR statistics from Instagram, why don't you actually count up the statistics from the Big 3 schools and report back.

Weird you would go through so much effort on JR, but then say that Big3 schools send 15% - 25% of their classes to Ivies. Maybe you are correct, but at least employ the same level of detail you decided to do for JR.

BTW, JR definitely had over 20 kids to go an Ivy (my own never posted as well as several friends), and less than 30...probably around 25.

Also, it is a large, urban comprehensive public school. I mean, 300 of the 421 kids know they aren't Ivy material and didn't even remotely consider applying.

Why aren't you looking at Walls or Whitman which is far better comparison in terms of demographics compared to a Big3 private school.

You can look up the data for Walls or Whitman.

My children attend Sidwell, so I’ll focus on that school. There were 104 Instagram posts for Sidwell’s c/o 2023. Sidwell has ~125 graduating seniors, so about 83% of the class posted. And we know that 100% of the class usually attends a 4 year college. Based on Instagram, 17/104 (16%) of Sidwell’s students are freshman at Ivies (plus 1 at MIT). I know there were at least 8 Ivy bound seniors who didn’t post. That would bring the number to at least 25/125 (20%).

I have access to the directory, and if memory serves me correctly, at least 4-5 of the 17 students who posted (plus, 3/8 who didn’t post) had no discernible hooks.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Except you aren't actually providing data. How many unhooked kids from Big 3 schools were accepted into the Ivy schools? If you read posts from other Big3 parents...literally somebody said that STA did not have a single unhooked kid go to an Ivy school for 2023. I don't know if that is true.

You may be correct, but nobody publishes the actual data. There are no Facts of which you speak.

The numbers provided are facts. They don’t conform to your worldview, so you don’t like the facts provided. That’s your problem.

Btw, how many of the JR Ivy admits are hooked? At least 1/7 posted. I’m sure there are a few legacies in there too.

What numbers, what facts? Did the schools publish a list of 2023 matriculations and the number of students attending? Did they publish information like Harvard Westlake that actually lists how many of the admits were athletes or legacy (not URM...but close)?

Please, post the Fact sheets from the schools. I don't even know what "numbers provided" even means? What numbers provided?

The goal posts keep moving. You look it up.

Btw, send your child to JR and hope for the best. Not my monkeys, not my circus.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Except you aren't actually providing data. How many unhooked kids from Big 3 schools were accepted into the Ivy schools? If you read posts from other Big3 parents...literally somebody said that STA did not have a single unhooked kid go to an Ivy school for 2023. I don't know if that is true.

You may be correct, but nobody publishes the actual data. There are no Facts of which you speak.

The numbers provided are facts. They don’t conform to your worldview, so you don’t like the facts provided. That’s your problem.

Btw, how many of the JR Ivy admits are hooked? At least 1/7 posted. I’m sure there are a few legacies in there too.

What numbers, what facts? Did the schools publish a list of 2023 matriculations and the number of students attending? Did they publish information like Harvard Westlake that actually lists how many of the admits were athletes or legacy (not URM...but close)?

Please, post the Fact sheets from the schools. I don't even know what "numbers provided" even means? What numbers provided?

The goal posts keep moving. You look it up.

Btw, send your child to JR and hope for the best. Not my monkeys, not my circus.

I did...and my kid is at a top 5. It all worked as planned.

What posts were moved...the request was for actual data and facts, that's all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Quite right. Especially this year. Who knew the Supreme Court decision would be so helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is any bump for non-hooked kids.

My kids left DCPS for a Big3 private in 9th grade. They were able to get into the Big3 private because they were at the very top of their DCPS cohort: PARCC scores at the 99%, grades all 98%+, top math track etc.
Now at the Big3 privates they are both around the 80% of their grades. There are kids who are smarter than they are and who had better preparation PK-8th. My kids are not hooked.
My senior is ending up at a college ranked 20-30. Not a bad result! However, peers who remained at JRHS are also getting the same results, if not higher schools. And these kids were the average kids in the classes
that my kids left.
I have a few friends whose kids also left DCPS and they are having the same experience. Many of the smartest kids leave DCPS and get into the same colleges that the average kids who stayed at DCPS get into.

The good news about leaving is that my kids have learned an absolute phenomenal amount since leaving and were learning next to nothing in DCPS. I had my kids in DCPS or a collective 30+ years so I'm not disparaging the schools as an outsider but as a parent who has a decade plus of experience at every level.

Compare the 2024 (or 2023) college destinations of JR to GDS, Sidwell, Maret, etc. JR students, on average, are attending much lower ranked colleges. You rarely see Big 3/5 student’s attending GMU, JMU, or regionally ranked colleges, but you see that in abundance at JR. I don’t know how your child performed academically at his private, but if his results are similar to a wide swath of JR, then your child did something wrong.

There are only 70 results posted for JR...that's less than 20% of the class that will actually go to college (only about 14% of the total class). It is easily a drop of 50% of postings at this time last year. Stop relying on instagram postings as anything close to definitive...it's not. It is no longer reliable for much of anything.

Let’s focus on facts:
1. JR’s enrollment (2022-2023): 2,153 (~538 students per grade)
2. JR’s graduation rate (according to Niche): 87% (468 students)
3. Percentage of graduating JR students attending 2 or 4 year colleges, immediately following graduation (according to JR/DCPS’ website: 90% of the 468 graduates (421 students)

Last year, there were 206 JR Instagram posts. That represents nearly 50% of the 421 students who graduated and attended a 2 or 4 year college in 2023. Seven (7) of the students who posted are freshman at Ivies (including one URM recruited athlete).

Big 3/5 DC Metro schools routinely send 15% to 25%+ of their graduating classes to Ivies. If JR sent 30 students to Ivies last year (that definitely didn’t happen), then that would still only be 7.1% of the class that continued on to college.

In summary, the facts make it clear that if your child is aiming for Ivies (difficult for everyone), they have a much better shot statistically if they attend a Big 3/5, as compared to JR.

I believe many people think that being an unhooked UMC kid has a better chance from public than at a top private.

At the end of the day, the kid who didn’t get in from private may think the legacies took all the spots to ivies and that he could have fared better from public. There will be some unhooked public school superstars who shine and get into Harvard or MIT but many more who got rejected.

That’s my point: Feelings are not facts. Unhooked kids from Big 3/5 schools get into Ivies every year. The facts show their odds are better coming from one of those privates than JR.

Except you aren't actually providing data. How many unhooked kids from Big 3 schools were accepted into the Ivy schools? If you read posts from other Big3 parents...literally somebody said that STA did not have a single unhooked kid go to an Ivy school for 2023. I don't know if that is true.

You may be correct, but nobody publishes the actual data. There are no Facts of which you speak.

The numbers provided are facts. They don’t conform to your worldview, so you don’t like the facts provided. That’s your problem.

Btw, how many of the JR Ivy admits are hooked? At least 1/7 posted. I’m sure there are a few legacies in there too.

What numbers, what facts? Did the schools publish a list of 2023 matriculations and the number of students attending? Did they publish information like Harvard Westlake that actually lists how many of the admits were athletes or legacy (not URM...but close)?

Please, post the Fact sheets from the schools. I don't even know what "numbers provided" even means? What numbers provided?

The goal posts keep moving. You look it up.

Btw, send your child to JR and hope for the best. Not my monkeys, not my circus.

I did...and my kid is at a top 5. It all worked as planned.

What posts were moved...the request was for actual data and facts, that's all.

Good for you that your child survived JR. I hope he’s better prepared for college than the 2010 valedictorian who graduated and went to Dartmouth:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/graduates-from-low-performing-dc-schools-face-tough-college-road/2013/06/16/e4c769a0-d49a-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html

I’m happy that I don’t have to worry about such things.