Penn President resigns

Anonymous
What is the question was -- does it violate your code of conduct to call for the death of every person in Gaza? Or every african american. Or every catholic?

That was the question they messed up -- is it a violation of your code to call for the murder of all jews.

Answer has to be yes or if it does not it should. There is not a lot else you can say.
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Too much legal prep, hence robotic legalese answers rather than actually thinking on their feet. None of these woman are dummies irl and would definitely condemn unequivocally any form of antisemitism irl.


When people show you who they are, believe them. They condoned the behavior and only retreated after finding out that people that don't live on campus have very different and highly valuable ($$$) opinions.
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Anonymous wrote:I was concerned by the questions and attitude of the qustioner. Let me understand, she is a Trumper, a pro insurecctionalist and anti abortion. Now she's concerned about free speech violation. She was trying to trap.


Asking if a call for the genocide of Jews is against Penn/Harvard/MIT Code of conduct of harassment and bullying is a pretty simple question.

But you hate the messenger, not the message.
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Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive


You can.
Please remember, Jewish people and the current Israeli government are often two different categories. By combining them, as you did by implication, you are suggesting all Jews think one thing. Far from true, and how false tropes are renewed and hatred fueled.

Israel can and should be criticized, like so many other governments.

The university leadership grappling with free speech issues are in a really tough spot. Our Constitutional rights versus students calling for the annihilation of a people.

I don’t think “punishment” of students is the answer. I do wish university leadership cared enough to say - to all groups threatening others- you can’t do that here.


+1
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Anonymous wrote:You have mixed feelings about her bumbling equivocating responses regarding genocide?
As for Penn, like any other entity, how else can an organization be held accountable for incompetent leadership aside from hitting them where it counts.


Yeah, I have mixed feelings about trying to respond to a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

I also have very angry feelings at the racism directed at Claudine Gay by certain Jews who suggest she isn’t qualified and was only hired because DEI.

And I am absolutely disgusted by the delight of the hypocritical right wing nut jobs who carry on about free speech on college campuses but they really mean to regulate speech more than anyone.

And Israel is really coming close to a campaign of genocide in its killing of innocent civilians by the thousands in Gaza.


Well, this is a perfect example of the double standard. Pro Palestinian protestors can say “There is only one solution” and “From the River to the Sea” and have paragliders and guns on their posters and praise the “heroes” of 10/7, and Jews aren’t allowed to infer that they are anti-Semitic and want to harm Jewish people. However, if anyone points out that Claudine Gay, with her singularly unimpressive history as an academic, her mismanagement of the disciplinary process at the University, as well as her terrible performance as a Congressional witness (and follow-up after), doesn’t seem good at her job other than the fact that she checks several DEI boxes at once, they are a racist.

And it would be impossible for “right wing nut jobs…to regulate speech more than” the liberal administrations of these campuses. Among many other things, Harvard Title IX training identifies “sizeism & fat-phobia” & “culture & identity abuse” including “objectifying identity, language, religion, culture, gender expression, etc, or using the wrong pronouns” as violations. (But of course, whether or not it’s ok to endorse the killing of Jewish people depends on the “context.”)

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess they now get to keep the $100 million. I have very mixed feelings about this as a Penn alum.


Mixed feelings? Seriously??

Top universities across the U.S. have gone completely off the deep end with woke-ness.

Coming back to sanity is long overdue on campus.


I don’t think donors should dictate policy.
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Anonymous wrote:You have mixed feelings about her bumbling equivocating responses regarding genocide?
As for Penn, like any other entity, how else can an organization be held accountable for incompetent leadership aside from hitting them where it counts.


Yeah, I have mixed feelings about trying to respond to a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

I also have very angry feelings at the racism directed at Claudine Gay by certain Jews who suggest she isn’t qualified and was only hired because DEI.

And I am absolutely disgusted by the delight of the hypocritical right wing nut jobs who carry on about free speech on college campuses but they really mean to regulate speech more than anyone.

And Israel is really coming close to a campaign of genocide in its killing of innocent civilians by the thousands in Gaza.


Agree
Anonymous
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Too much legal prep, hence robotic legalese answers rather than actually thinking on their feet. None of these woman are dummies irl and would definitely condemn unequivocally any form of antisemitism irl.


Yup, they were clearly coached to equivocate.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive


Ooh, now tell us what happens when black people/POC/women are criticized. We'll wait.

And btw? The idiot students weren't simply criticizing Israel. They were calling for its GENOCIDE. Interesting, but so telling, that THAT FACT doesn't "chill" you.


I can’t find the videos of students calling for a genocide. Anyone have a link?


My apologies if you have been in a coma for the last two months, but open a web browser, there are plenty of examples.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess they now get to keep the $100 million. I have very mixed feelings about this as a Penn alum.


Mixed feelings? Seriously??

Top universities across the U.S. have gone completely off the deep end with woke-ness.

Coming back to sanity is long overdue on campus.


I don’t think donors should dictate policy.


There is a super easy solution, don't accept donor money.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have mixed feelings about her bumbling equivocating responses regarding genocide?
As for Penn, like any other entity, how else can an organization be held accountable for incompetent leadership aside from hitting them where it counts.


Yeah, I have mixed feelings about trying to respond to a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

I also have very angry feelings at the racism directed at Claudine Gay by certain Jews who suggest she isn’t qualified and was only hired because DEI.

And I am absolutely disgusted by the delight of the hypocritical right wing nut jobs who carry on about free speech on college campuses but they really mean to regulate speech more than anyone.

And Israel is really coming close to a campaign of genocide in its killing of innocent civilians by the thousands in Gaza.


+1
Anonymous
Wonder how the new president will seek out the none israel supporters? First up will be Palestinians, Muslims and blacks. Next bet they go after the Catholics.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have mixed feelings about her bumbling equivocating responses regarding genocide?
As for Penn, like any other entity, how else can an organization be held accountable for incompetent leadership aside from hitting them where it counts.


Yeah, I have mixed feelings about trying to respond to a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

I also have very angry feelings at the racism directed at Claudine Gay by certain Jews who suggest she isn’t qualified and was only hired because DEI.

And I am absolutely disgusted by the delight of the hypocritical right wing nut jobs who carry on about free speech on college campuses but they really mean to regulate speech more than anyone.

And Israel is really coming close to a campaign of genocide in its killing of innocent civilians by the thousands in Gaza.


+1


Also agree!
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Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive


+1

The irony is that Israel seems to be committing genocide against the Palestinians.


+1. Fired over a hypothetical. No one has called for genocide against Jewish people (one-sided interpretations of a chant don’t count). Meanwhile, the Palestinians are being eradicated (even from Southern Gaza where Israel told them to go).


That’s war.

Not genocide


War has been the pretext for the genocide that’s been occurring for 100+ years in the region, at the hands of Zionists before and since the creation of the State of Israel.

I mean, have a ball denying it. Nobody objective is buying it.


Honestly, if Zionist have somehow been “committing genocide for 100 years”, then they must be really bad at it. I think the general competency of Israel speaks against that argument. If Israel actually wanted to commit genocide, they would have done it by now. Personally, I think they would just rather like it if Hamas would stop firing rockets at Israeli civilian populations.

Everyone screaming genocide has no idea what the word actually means. In 1947 there were less than 2m Palestinians in the region. There’ are 5 million now. Talk about a genocide fail.


Are you paying attention? These dipshits in the IDF cannot even use bleeding edge technology gifted by the U.S. to successfully root out Hamas.

There’s been a minimum 2:1 ratio of innocent civilian-to-combatant deaths since 10/7, and that’s using the notoriously dishonest IDF as a source.

So, no, I don’t find the fact that the racist clowns who identify as Zionists haven’t completed their STATED mission of dispossessing every last indigenous person of their land in the region to be contra-evidence of that mission. They’re just really incompetent, which explains a lot.

But incompetence doesn’t absolve them of their sins.
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Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive


+1

The irony is that Israel seems to be committing genocide against the Palestinians.


+1. Fired over a hypothetical. No one has called for genocide against Jewish people (one-sided interpretations of a chant don’t count). Meanwhile, the Palestinians are being eradicated (even from Southern Gaza where Israel told them to go).


That’s war.

Not genocide


War has been the pretext for the genocide that’s been occurring for 100+ years in the region, at the hands of Zionists before and since the creation of the State of Israel.

I mean, have a ball denying it. Nobody objective is buying it.


Honestly, if Zionist have somehow been “committing genocide for 100 years”, then they must be really bad at it. I think the general competency of Israel speaks against that argument. If Israel actually wanted to commit genocide, they would have done it by now. Personally, I think they would just rather like it if Hamas would stop firing rockets at Israeli civilian populations.

Everyone screaming genocide has no idea what the word actually means. In 1947 there were less than 2m Palestinians in the region. There’ are 5 million now. Talk about a genocide fail.


Are you paying attention? These dipshits in the IDF cannot even use bleeding edge technology gifted by the U.S. to successfully root out Hamas.

There’s been a minimum 2:1 ratio of innocent civilian-to-combatant deaths since 10/7, and that’s using the notoriously dishonest IDF as a source.

So, no, I don’t find the fact that the racist clowns who identify as Zionists haven’t completed their STATED mission of dispossessing every last indigenous person of their land in the region to be contra-evidence of that mission. They’re just really incompetent, which explains a lot.

But incompetence doesn’t absolve them of their sins.


Yeah, an “2:1 ratio of innocent civilian-to-combatant deaths since 10/7” is what happens when terrorists deliberately and cynically embed themselves in dense civilian centers.

You obviously expect Israelis to just quietly accept the occasional massacre with a side helping of rape and torture and kidnapping. I mean, they already get rocket fire on the regular, what’s the big deal?

Unless you are willing to accept that happening on American soil, without military response, you are a hypocrite.

Hamas started this conflict. They don’t get to dictate Israel’s response to an act of war. Neither do you.
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