Alexandria on the Cusp of Eliminating All SFH Zoning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people voted for this and don't see Wilson for who he is (someone waiting for Beyer to retire so he can run for Congress).

This entire proposal BS was pushed as an answer to workforce and affordable housing. Only recently have the proponents pivoted with their win-win-win stance. Upzoning and adding ADUs to everyone's yard will not decrease housing costs and increase the supply of affordable housing. You know it, I know it, and to argue otherwise is so disingenuous. Just admit and be upfront with what you are.

I own a triple lot. We will probably sell within the next 5 years once the kids graduate from college. For the last 18 months I have been bombarded with texts, letters and calls asking me if I am interested in selling, all from developers.

People didn’t vote for this and I’ve heard from two people on council that most of those writing are not in favor. Especially those who actually live there and wrote.

This is why the vote has to happen now. So we can’t vote on it. Wilson, Gaskins and McPike do not want to hear your opinions. They do not want you to vote on this. That’s why it’s bundled and rushed (yes, it is rushed, they moved up the time line). Gaskins and Wilson are using this to move on to higher office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, you voted for it. Reap the rewards.

No we did not. Despite the disingenuous claims of Wilson, Gaskins and McPike, these zoning changes were in no way discussed during the last election. Committed affordable housing was a huge discussion and rising housing costs across the metro area were discussed. But these proposals were not discussed.

Sorry, but you did. Wilson et al have been talking about this for years at events, zoning and planning meetings. Wilson's claims aren't disingenuous.

Ignorance isn't an excuse. I knew because I pay a minimal amount of attention so I didn't vote for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

I can only assume you’re either uninformed or mentally ill. Maybe both. Many seniors contribute an incredible amount of time volunteering and supporting the community in ways that are important but not exactly newsworthy. If they go, the quality of life for everyone leaves with them.

Sincerely,
Not a senior citizen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people voted for this and don't see Wilson for who he is (someone waiting for Beyer to retire so he can run for Congress).

This entire proposal BS was pushed as an answer to workforce and affordable housing. Only recently have the proponents pivoted with their win-win-win stance. Upzoning and adding ADUs to everyone's yard will not decrease housing costs and increase the supply of affordable housing. You know it, I know it, and to argue otherwise is so disingenuous. Just admit and be upfront with what you are.

I own a triple lot. We will probably sell within the next 5 years once the kids graduate from college. For the last 18 months I have been bombarded with texts, letters and calls asking me if I am interested in selling, all from developers.

People didn’t vote for this and I’ve heard from two people on council that most of those writing are not in favor. Especially those who actually live there and wrote.

This is why the vote has to happen now. So we can’t vote on it. Wilson, Gaskins and McPike do not want to hear your opinions. They do not want you to vote on this. That’s why it’s bundled and rushed (yes, it is rushed, they moved up the time line). Gaskins and Wilson are using this to move on to higher office.

They aren't using this, they believe in this initiative. Wilson isn't going anywhere. He's mayor for life. His opportunity to run for higher office is over. He's a punchline in Richmond and to other D mayors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

Let’s kick out the disabled and minorities too while we’re at it. OMFG.

+1 And the young pot smokers, people who work long hours and don't maintain their yards, anyone with loud kids and barking dogs, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Failing schools, imploding commercial real estate, and murders are not quite enough to destroy Alexandria, so the Council is a freight train about to vote on Tuesday to eliminate all SFH zoning. Yay.

OH FFS chicken little

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

I can only assume you’re either uninformed or mentally ill. Maybe both. Many seniors contribute an incredible amount of time volunteering and supporting the community in ways that are important but not exactly newsworthy. If they go, the quality of life for everyone leaves with them.

Sincerely,
Not a senior citizen

Sure, if by this you mean contributing an incredible amount of time to calling the police on "youths", reporting people for minute overages on their street parking, or casting a stink eye on crying babies. Guess what, Doris, it's time to let life happen and move to a retirement community where you don't have to worry about any of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, you voted for it. Reap the rewards.

No we did not. Despite the disingenuous claims of Wilson, Gaskins and McPike, these zoning changes were in no way discussed during the last election. Committed affordable housing was a huge discussion and rising housing costs across the metro area were discussed. But these proposals were not discussed.

Sorry, but you did. Wilson et al have been talking about this for years at events, zoning and planning meetings. Wilson's claims aren't disingenuous.

Ignorance isn't an excuse. I knew because I pay a minimal amount of attention so I didn't vote for them.

Really? For years, the planning commission has been talking about ending single family zoning? What zoning meetings? And Gaskins and McPike stated that?

Wilson is disingenuous because he repackaged and fast tracked the proposal because it the bonus height density proposal didn’t go as planned in front of the planning commission.

I mean, it’s totally possible he said something at the Dem Committee meetings or some grassroots event. I can’t deny that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Failing schools, imploding commercial real estate, and murders are not quite enough to destroy Alexandria, so the Council is a freight train about to vote on Tuesday to eliminate all SFH zoning. Yay.

Hooray!

Don't worry, OP, they are not eliminating detached one-unit residential buildings. They are simply eliminating zoning that bans everything except detached one-unit residential buildings. Property owners - like you - will now have more options for your property.

This!

You know what pays for all the stuff you want, OP? Property tax dollars. From incremental smart development like the ones in this package of reforms.

You can keep your SFH but when you go to sell it, it may sell for more because there will be more options for what it can become, and that will lead to both more tax dollars and more residents as one large house becomes four smaller ones in some places, especially places that support transit. Win-win-win-win.

NP here. I thought the entire premise of upzoning is that it will increase the supply of “affordable” housing and decrease the average price of housing, thereby making housing more affordable. At least that’s what several members of city council ran on and the mayor has been pushing. And now PP is claiming that upzoning is for increasing the collected real property taxes.

Which is it?

The entire premise of zoning changes to allow a wider range of housing types is: to allow a wider range of housing types. This will have many benefits.

A wide range of housing types is already available. What are these “benefits” of eliminating SFH zoning in Alexandria?

1. More housing
2. more tax revenue
3. higher property values for existing owners

4. More smaller landlords who are unlikely to properly maintain the properties.

Let’s be honest, that’s the real problem. When you are taking about quadplexes you are taking about renters and landlords. Not the type of landlords that maintain large complexes, but the type who are more likely to maintain older residential properties with little exterior maintenance or care for the neighbors to the property. That’s this issue. And it’s rarely an issue who rents the property but who maintains its.

But these would be new residential properties...

For now. And 10 years from now?

I have kids in college in nice, newer quadplexes that my kids have to beg to be maintained. Two different colleges in nice areas.

I live in a Division I college town. Single family home neighborhoods are being destroyed by the new laws that have passed that allow the new quadplexes. Parking is an extreme problem. The homeowners in the neighborhoods do not want quadraplexes. The rentals are expensive. No way do they provide affordable housing.

The builders association lobbied for the change. There is no land available near the college to build on so they are destroying existing single family developments to build the quadplexes.

Residents of college towns against housing for college students!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, you voted for it. Reap the rewards.

No we did not. Despite the disingenuous claims of Wilson, Gaskins and McPike, these zoning changes were in no way discussed during the last election. Committed affordable housing was a huge discussion and rising housing costs across the metro area were discussed. But these proposals were not discussed.

Sorry, but you did. Wilson et al have been talking about this for years at events, zoning and planning meetings. Wilson's claims aren't disingenuous.

Ignorance isn't an excuse. I knew because I pay a minimal amount of attention so I didn't vote for them.

Really? For years, the planning commission has been talking about ending single family zoning? What zoning meetings? And Gaskins and McPike stated that?

Wilson is disingenuous because he repackaged and fast tracked the proposal because it the bonus height density proposal didn’t go as planned in front of the planning commission.

I mean, it’s totally possible he said something at the Dem Committee meetings or some grassroots event. I can’t deny that.

Even I knew it about it, and I live in Maryland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, you voted for it. Reap the rewards.

No we did not. Despite the disingenuous claims of Wilson, Gaskins and McPike, these zoning changes were in no way discussed during the last election. Committed affordable housing was a huge discussion and rising housing costs across the metro area were discussed. But these proposals were not discussed.

Sorry, but you did. Wilson et al have been talking about this for years at events, zoning and planning meetings. Wilson's claims aren't disingenuous.

Ignorance isn't an excuse. I knew because I pay a minimal amount of attention so I didn't vote for them.

Really? For years, the planning commission has been talking about ending single family zoning? What zoning meetings? And Gaskins and McPike stated that?

Wilson is disingenuous because he repackaged and fast tracked the proposal because it the bonus height density proposal didn’t go as planned in front of the planning commission.

I mean, it’s totally possible he said something at the Dem Committee meetings or some grassroots event. I can’t deny that.

Even I knew it about it, and I live in Maryland.

How? Because you follow him on social media? Because of your YIMBY/“smart growth” network?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

I can only assume you’re either uninformed or mentally ill. Maybe both. Many seniors contribute an incredible amount of time volunteering and supporting the community in ways that are important but not exactly newsworthy. If they go, the quality of life for everyone leaves with them.

Sincerely,
Not a senior citizen

Sure, if by this you mean contributing an incredible amount of time to calling the police on "youths", reporting people for minute overages on their street parking, or casting a stink eye on crying babies. Guess what, Doris, it's time to let life happen and move to a retirement community where you don't have to worry about any of that.

Hmmm...guess you and your family have been a focus of your neighborhood?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

I can only assume you’re either uninformed or mentally ill. Maybe both. Many seniors contribute an incredible amount of time volunteering and supporting the community in ways that are important but not exactly newsworthy. If they go, the quality of life for everyone leaves with them.

Sincerely,
Not a senior citizen

Sure, if by this you mean contributing an incredible amount of time to calling the police on "youths", reporting people for minute overages on their street parking, or casting a stink eye on crying babies. Guess what, Doris, it's time to let life happen and move to a retirement community where you don't have to worry about any of that.

Hmmm...guess you and your family have been a focus of your neighborhood?!

No, but we will be when we buy the SFH next to old man Eugene, tear it down, build a quadplex in its place, and rent it out to the minorities old people are all scared of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

I can only assume you’re either uninformed or mentally ill. Maybe both. Many seniors contribute an incredible amount of time volunteering and supporting the community in ways that are important but not exactly newsworthy. If they go, the quality of life for everyone leaves with them.

Sincerely,
Not a senior citizen

Sure, if by this you mean contributing an incredible amount of time to calling the police on "youths", reporting people for minute overages on their street parking, or casting a stink eye on crying babies. Guess what, Doris, it's time to let life happen and move to a retirement community where you don't have to worry about any of that.

Hmmm...guess you and your family have been a focus of your neighborhood?!

No, but we will be when we buy the SFH next to old man Eugene, tear it down, build a quadplex in its place, and rent it out to the minorities old people are all scared of.

Right, like you can afford to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Forcing newly retired seniors out is what happened in Falls Church many years ago. It was sad. But people these days don’t care about anyone 50+. They just want them to die.

This honestly would be an ideal outcome. I support whatever zoning changes send the elderly packing. Retired seniors are a blight on SFH or dense TH neighborhoods. They're crotchety, noise sensitive, impatient with young kids, and kill the vibe of wherever they park themselves till they expire.

I can only assume you’re either uninformed or mentally ill. Maybe both. Many seniors contribute an incredible amount of time volunteering and supporting the community in ways that are important but not exactly newsworthy. If they go, the quality of life for everyone leaves with them.

Sincerely,
Not a senior citizen

Sure, if by this you mean contributing an incredible amount of time to calling the police on "youths", reporting people for minute overages on their street parking, or casting a stink eye on crying babies. Guess what, Doris, it's time to let life happen and move to a retirement community where you don't have to worry about any of that.

Is this a YIMBY stan parody?

If so, I’d say that it’s a dank W, brah.

No cap.