It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in the Florida panhandle. 600 years ago, members of the Apalachee tribe wandered around in my back yard. Then my little plot of land was claimed by Spain. Then France. Then Great Britain. Than the United States. Than the Confederate States. Than the United States. Then we bought it from that one couple named Gene and Sheila. We already paid Gene and Sheila for it so I don't feel I owe anyone else any more money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now the last supper was a Passover seder?

Every time it gets more and more absurd. If it wasn't so disrespectful to members of a religion you're clumsily attempting to get on your side it would be comical. What on earth are you doing?

Your ignorance is simply astounding! You might just be the must uneducated person I have ever encountered. It’s remarkable.

Yes, JESUS WAS A JEW!!!! That’s not a disputed point by any Christian or biblical scholars. You can go ask the Pope, he’ll agree. Why are you arguing this? It’s nutty.

As for the last supper, well, no one knows for sure because it happened over 2,000 years ago, but the general consensus is that it was a Passover Seder. There are those who dispute that, but it’s a minority viewpoint and it’s generally from those who think the Gospels tuned Jesus’s last meal into a Seder for more effect. Here are the first three replies I found from a simple google search:

https://www.texaschildrens.org/blog/2013/03/was-meal-served-biblical-passover-seder-and-last-supper-healthy-one#:~:text=The%20Last%20Supper%20was%20a,reconciliation%20with%20God%20can%20occur.

https://bible.org/question/was-last-supper-passover-seder

https://catholicstraightanswers.com/passover-and-the-last-supper/


Although, I know you won’t read any of it. Your mind is blown that Jesus was a Jew because your minister taught you he was a Black Baptist. Why? Because your minister knows you wouldn’t be able to handle the philosophical elements of anything beyond that. He has to keep it simple for ya.

DP. Not a Christian. In Christian mythology, did Jesus himself claim to be the son of God, or did his followers declare him the son of God?

In Hebrew and Aramaic, Jesus claimed to be “the anointed one,” the Messiah who was prophesied in the Bible. After his death, his followers called him the Son of God. There is no evidence that he ever called himself that. In fact, the Council of Nicaea in AD 325 was when it was officially ruled that Jesus was the Son of God for Christians. As you can see that was well after his lifetime.

Well, then that settles. Who know that in seeking self flagellation for my transgressions against the american indian, that I would learn that Christianity is a farce.

[Anonymous]

I’m a Cherokee and am offended by the term Native American. We are Indians and were here before there was an America. Just stop using that offensive term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Cherokee and am offended by the term Native American. We are Indians and were here before there was an America. Just stop using that offensive term.

But you aren’t Indians? That’s the name that was given when the European explorers thought they’d found a new route to Asia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten seriously derailed.

Land acknowledgments are such a silly pretension.

Agreed. At what point in history are we supposed to return to? Get over it, your ancestors lost. Now try to move on and live well in the society that now exists here.

Agreed.

Do you get to tell people to "just get over" genocide of their people? I doubt you would feel the same if your family was murdered and they took your home and all your possessions.

That’s the point… this really isn’t “their family”. It’s people they don’t know who share their ethnicity. The same thing is true for almost everyone.

[Anonymous]

Is OP Native American?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You first.

Probably rapahanock:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/20/native-american-fones-cliffs-rappahannock-virginia/

And you?

So did you deed your property to the tribe? Get back to us when you’ve done that.

[Anonymous]

Read all of history everywhere. Land was always fought over — everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Cherokee and am offended by the term Native American. We are Indians and were here before there was an America. Just stop using that offensive term.

But you aren’t Indians? That’s the name that was given when the European explorers thought they’d found a new route to Asia.

Can you even hear yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten seriously derailed.

Land acknowledgments are such a silly pretension.

Agreed. At what point in history are we supposed to return to? Get over it, your ancestors lost. Now try to move on and live well in the society that now exists here.

Agreed.

Do you get to tell people to "just get over" genocide of their people? I doubt you would feel the same if your family was murdered and they took your home and all your possessions.

Yes. This did happen to my people. I am of Irish descent, my ancestors were conquered by the English. They fled to American and made a new life here peacefully. They did not drag terror extremism to American, they worked hard to make a better living here in their new homeland and condemned the use of terrorist groups (IRA) back in their native country.

So your ancestors left their land willingly. And got to resettle on land they wanted to with the belonging they had and brought their families along. I can see how you would make the correlation to Native Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten seriously derailed.

Land acknowledgments are such a silly pretension.

Agreed. At what point in history are we supposed to return to? Get over it, your ancestors lost. Now try to move on and live well in the society that now exists here.

Agreed.

Do you get to tell people to "just get over" genocide of their people? I doubt you would feel the same if your family was murdered and they took your home and all your possessions.

Yes. This did happen to my people. I am of Irish descent, my ancestors were conquered by the English. They fled to American and made a new life here peacefully. They did not drag terror extremism to American, they worked hard to make a better living here in their new homeland and condemned the use of terrorist groups (IRA) back in their native country.

So your ancestors left their land willingly. And got to resettle on land they wanted to with the belonging they had and brought their families along. I can see how you would make the correlation to Native Americans.

Native Americans left Asia willingly and got to resettle on land they wanted to with the belongings they had…

It’s really hard to steal land from people who have no concept of property. They were nomadic hunter gathers who didn’t understand what the Europeans were talking about when they tried to buy the property from them.

[Anonymous]

NP. People here are twisting themselves into pretzels to explain why they're not on native American land. Almost all of us here are descendants of immigrants to the U.S., which was colonized by Europeans. I'm not saying that we need to give back our individual properties, and I don't think that's realistically on the table anyway, but let's also not whitewash what was done to Native Americans. I believe that I'm on Piscataway land. I don't think there's anything to be done about it now, but I'm just being honest.

[Anonymous]

I'm living on an island that was bought for some beads by the Dutch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. People here are twisting themselves into pretzels to explain why they're not on native American land. Almost all of us here are descendants of immigrants to the U.S., which was colonized by Europeans. I'm not saying that we need to give back our individual properties, and I don't think that's realistically on the table anyway, but let's also not whitewash what was done to Native Americans. I believe that I'm on Piscataway land. I don't think there's anything to be done about it now, but I'm just being honest.

I do not believe that I am on Native Land. And I think anyone who makes a big deal about saying they believe they’re on stolen Native Land without backing that up with an honest attempt to - give it back - is merely virtue signaling (and highly disingenuous and annoying).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. People here are twisting themselves into pretzels to explain why they're not on native American land. Almost all of us here are descendants of immigrants to the U.S., which was colonized by Europeans. I'm not saying that we need to give back our individual properties, and I don't think that's realistically on the table anyway, but let's also not whitewash what was done to Native Americans. I believe that I'm on Piscataway land. I don't think there's anything to be done about it now, but I'm just being honest.

I do not believe that I am on Native Land. And I think anyone who makes a big deal about saying they believe they’re on stolen Native Land without backing that up with an honest attempt to - give it back - is merely virtue signaling (and highly disingenuous and annoying).

No - just being honest about the history of the U.S. even if it is an inconvenient truth. I'm not virtue signaling as I (the person to whom you're responding) am not claiming that I'm giving away my property nor do I think there's a viable proposal on that front. I think the origins of the U.S., a country that I love, makes people feel uncomfortable but, as with slavery, the oppression of native Americans is a significant part of our history. If it annoys you, that's on you.