Everyone I ever met who went to Harvard Law School graduated from a college I've never heard of.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s more of a correlation v. causation thing

What? Seriously, you can do better.

Nope. Some of the posters think that Harvard Law and the like are taking T50 undergrads v. undergrads from no-name schools simply because they favor undergrads who fall into the former group. That’s not the case. T14 law schools are mostly filled with students who went to t50 undergrads because those students tend to be excellent test takers, have great GPAs & want to go on to grad school. So, they apply & get admitted to top law schools en massé.

Most kids who go to podunk nowhere college don’t care about their grades, aren’t good test takers & don’t care about going to law school. If a kid at podunk nowhere college gets a 4.0 GPA and 178 LSAT, they’re going to have excellent law school prospects. No law school is going to turn them down because they happen to go to podunk nowhere college.

False, but you are OP with an axe to grind I went to HLS. The 173 (out of 560-570 per class cited above) were valedictorians from very very good schools. I can't remember a single student who went to a school "I've never heard of". The fact you haven't heard of most of them is bizarre. The other 370 went to Harvard or other top schools. 1/3 of my HLS class came from Harvard undergrad. That still leaves almost 400 schools to pick from.

Yeah I think OP likely doesn’t know the landscape of schools very well. Op’s “never heard of” could actually be a school that is actually known reasonably well and just isn’t Ivy League or equivalent.

Or OP has met TWO total HLS grads "from schools she's never heard of". OK, so why are we spending time on this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:This is probably more about your familiarity with colleges than about Harvard law admissions.

+1 OP, name the schools you’ve never heard of. DH is a HLS alum, and he went to Williams. His closest law school friends went to UNC, Michigan, Yale, Carleton, Swarthmore, and Harvard undergrad. All well known schools for those who are familiar with top colleges.

Harvard law draws from about 174 different undergrads institutions. Quite possible someone not familiar with all the schools on the list. https://hls.harvard.edu/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/jdapplicants/hls-profile-and-facts/undergraduate-institutions/

Nor is this unique. Look up any other elite law school and they will draw from around 100 colleges on up to the Harvard range, depending on size of the class.

But you fail to account for the fact that each law school class at Harvard has 560 members in it, so your "174" is less than 1/3 of the class.

You are making an assumption without support that each school has only one representative.

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What older lawyers aren’t getting is that LSAT scores are inflated due to LSAC giving significantly more time on exams as accommodations for people with disabilities. It’s not the LSAT of even several years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:What older lawyers aren’t getting is that LSAT scores are inflated due to LSAC giving significantly more time on exams as accommodations for people with disabilities. It’s not the LSAT of even several years ago.

Yeah, that’s called society being more accepting & accommodating of people with disabilities than it was several years ago. That is not a bad thing.

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Law is also probably the only professional grad program where Harvard is not even arguably the best school.

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Harvard only the fifth rank law school anyways. EDs will not be to Duke Law and Penn Law! That's what my kids will do.

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Anonymous wrote:What older lawyers aren’t getting is that LSAT scores are inflated due to LSAC giving significantly more time on exams as accommodations for people with disabilities. It’s not the LSAT of even several years ago.

Yeah, that’s called society being more accepting & accommodating of people with disabilities than it was several years ago. That is not a bad thing.

Respectfully who GAF? The point is 10 years ago a 175 was tippy top impressive and now it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:What older lawyers aren’t getting is that LSAT scores are inflated due to LSAC giving significantly more time on exams as accommodations for people with disabilities. It’s not the LSAT of even several years ago.

Yeah, that’s called society being more accepting & accommodating of people with disabilities than it was several years ago. That is not a bad thing.

Respectfully who GAF? The point is 10 years ago a 175 was tippy top impressive and now it’s not.

DP point taken. 3.9 and 174 waitlisted everywhere above 14.

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Anonymous wrote:This is probably more about your familiarity with colleges than about Harvard law admissions.

+1 OP, name the schools you’ve never heard of. DH is a HLS alum, and he went to Williams. His closest law school friends went to UNC, Michigan, Yale, Carleton, Swarthmore, and Harvard undergrad. All well known schools for those who are familiar with top colleges.

Harvard law draws from about 174 different undergrads institutions. Quite possible someone not familiar with all the schools on the list. https://hls.harvard.edu/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/jdapplicants/hls-profile-and-facts/undergraduate-institutions/

Nor is this unique. Look up any other elite law school and they will draw from around 100 colleges on up to the Harvard range, depending on size of the class.

But you fail to account for the fact that each law school class at Harvard has 560 members in it, so your "174" is less than 1/3 of the class.

You are making an assumption without support that each school has only one representative.

Not really. I actually was one of those 174. Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Law is also probably the only professional grad program where Harvard is not even arguably the best school.

Determined by whom? USNWR. Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard only the fifth rank law school anyways. EDs will not be to Duke Law and Penn Law! That's what my kids will do.

?? Which is why Harvard, Yale and Stanford don’t have ED. They don’t need to

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Anonymous wrote:Law is also probably the only professional grad program where Harvard is not even arguably the best school.

Determined by whom? USNWR. Lol

+1. USNWR is toast. Harvard is still considered the greatest law school in the world, both by other countries and by law firms and their clients here in the U.S. https://abovethelaw.com/2023/05/the-best-law-schools-in-the-world-2023/#:~:text=Harvard%20continues%20to%20reign%20supreme%2C%20beating%20Yale%20and,world%2C%20you%E2%80%99ll%20see%20Georgetown%20%28%2321%29%20and%20UCLA%20%28%2322%29.

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I know three Harvard law grads - two went to Harvard for undergrad and one went to Dartmouth (all POC).

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Anonymous wrote:I know three Harvard law grads - two went to Harvard for undergrad and one went to Dartmouth (all POC).

Yeah, I don't think OP knows that many Harvard law grads. Of the ones that I know, undergrad was Georgetown, JHU, and NYU. We've heard of those, yes?

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Anonymous wrote:What older lawyers aren’t getting is that LSAT scores are inflated due to LSAC giving significantly more time on exams as accommodations for people with disabilities. It’s not the LSAT of even several years ago.

Yeah, that’s called society being more accepting & accommodating of people with disabilities than it was several years ago. That is not a bad thing.

Respectfully who GAF? The point is 10 years ago a 175 was tippy top impressive and now it’s not.

Accommodations are a good thing. People get them for the SAT too.