Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the issue is that practices have trouble making money because insurances don’t reimburse for so many things patients demand. See the thread about people recommending flu/ strep/ covid/ RSV swabs for a healthy 10 year old with a week of a cough. Do you think insurance reimburses for those tests, which are actually incredibly expensive for the office to run? They don’t! They say there is no medical necessity for a 10 year old to get an RSV test and they do not pay for it.

Huh? If insurance didn't cover these tests the practice would pass the cost onto the patient. They wouldn't absorb it.

And those are typically just lab appointments - patients don't need to see MDs for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an Ortho show up 40 minutes late once. I was his first appointment of the day. I saw him arrive while sitting in the waiting room. I asked him why I was kept waiting so long and he lied and said he’d been stuck with another patient. I told him that I saw him walk past me with his coat on his arm and a cup of coffee.. Never went back to him again. This was at CAO Ortho in foxhall.

If he is an ortho surgeon he might have been held up doing rounds prior to going to his practice. Some of you don't seem to understand what doctors do.

So...poor scheduling. Allocate more time for rounds.

Allocate more time from where? They can’t control if 7 new ortho patients got admitted overnight and suddenly they are rounding on 12 patients instead of 5. Or 20 instead of 5.

Start office hours later on hospital days.

It's not that hard to figure out.

Got it. So, see fewer patients overall. Sounds ideal. Hope you don’t need to see a specialist anytime soon because they’ve taken your advice and your appointment date for your brain tumor is in March 2024.

Yes, see fewer patients if you can't figure out how to manage your time and schedule better.

Uh, maybe manage your health better and then you won't need to see your doctor.

I'm good with my doctors, thanks. I dropped the ones who can't handle the basics.

So what are you moaning about?

Doctors with poor scheduling. Try to keep up.

Why, though? Apparently it doesn't affect you.

Why are you on this thread? Are you bad at scheduling your time? Need any pointers?

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Anonymous wrote:I am 100% with you, OP. I am so tired of the social acceptance that doctors can keep you waiting an hour plus - all because they over schedule the same time slots. It is the sh$ttiest practice model and we all seem to take it over and over again. I have zero sympathy for most practices, as I've yet to have a doctor who was genuinely remorseful or sympathetic that a patient had been left in a waiting room to waste their valuable time.

I'm an attorney. I can promise you that if I left a client waiting for 45 minutes, they'd find another atty - and with good reason. We should not be shelling out money to professionals who disrespects their entire client base day in and day out.

And all of this "but it was an emergency!" BS. No, it is not an emergency every day. It is a culture of overbooking. Period.

and why do they overbook? Because people expect- no, demand!- to see a doctor for every little thing, and a specialist half the time at that. If you want them to see fewer patients, expect that you won’t ever get an appointment unless you’re aboht to die, and even then it will be for 2 weeks from now.

Then vet the patients. It is really not that difficult. I'm tired of all the excuses for why doctors are incompetent at running a business.
I vet my clients before a consult. Why can't they? Private practice can absolutely refuse service. They can also charge fees for services. If I have a PITA client, I charge for all the services.

I pay out of pocket for a concierge GP service and LOVE it. It absolutely can be done. Doctors are just greedy.

Please explain “vet them”. Like turn them away if they don’t pay what the doctor wants? You may get away with that in your law practice, but a doctor can’t. It’s not ethical. That’s probably really hard for you to understand.

I'm guessing PP means triage, but doctors vet based on ability to pay all the time. Try getting an appointment without making arrangements to pay

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I look forward to the day when doctors are replaced by computers which can scan your body and analyze test results and diagnose your prognosis.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an Ortho show up 40 minutes late once. I was his first appointment of the day. I saw him arrive while sitting in the waiting room. I asked him why I was kept waiting so long and he lied and said he’d been stuck with another patient. I told him that I saw him walk past me with his coat on his arm and a cup of coffee.. Never went back to him again. This was at CAO Ortho in foxhall.

If he is an ortho surgeon he might have been held up doing rounds prior to going to his practice. Some of you don't seem to understand what doctors do.

So...poor scheduling. Allocate more time for rounds.

Allocate more time from where? They can’t control if 7 new ortho patients got admitted overnight and suddenly they are rounding on 12 patients instead of 5. Or 20 instead of 5.

Start office hours later on hospital days.

It's not that hard to figure out.

Got it. So, see fewer patients overall. Sounds ideal. Hope you don’t need to see a specialist anytime soon because they’ve taken your advice and your appointment date for your brain tumor is in March 2024.

Yes, see fewer patients if you can't figure out how to manage your time and schedule better.

Uh, maybe manage your health better and then you won't need to see your doctor.

I'm good with my doctors, thanks. I dropped the ones who can't handle the basics.

So what are you moaning about?

Doctors with poor scheduling. Try to keep up.

Why, though? Apparently it doesn't affect you.

Why are you on this thread? Are you bad at scheduling your time? Need any pointers?

Nope, but I'm curious what you do, since you seem to have so much criticism for doctors. Obviously your job is not nearly as busy nor important as a doctor's.

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Honestly, 45min doesn't even sound that bad to me. Maybe I need better Drs

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Anonymous wrote:I look forward to the day when doctors are replaced by computers which can scan your body and analyze test results and diagnose your prognosis.

Alas, the most sensitive predictor of neonatal sepsis is still an experienced clinician's hands, eyes, and brain, not any lab tests.

Perhaps soon.

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Anonymous wrote:I am 100% with you, OP. I am so tired of the social acceptance that doctors can keep you waiting an hour plus - all because they over schedule the same time slots. It is the sh$ttiest practice model and we all seem to take it over and over again. I have zero sympathy for most practices, as I've yet to have a doctor who was genuinely remorseful or sympathetic that a patient had been left in a waiting room to waste their valuable time.

I'm an attorney. I can promise you that if I left a client waiting for 45 minutes, they'd find another atty - and with good reason. We should not be shelling out money to professionals who disrespects their entire client base day in and day out.

And all of this "but it was an emergency!" BS. No, it is not an emergency every day. It is a culture of overbooking. Period.

and why do they overbook? Because people expect- no, demand!- to see a doctor for every little thing, and a specialist half the time at that. If you want them to see fewer patients, expect that you won’t ever get an appointment unless you’re aboht to die, and even then it will be for 2 weeks from now.

Then vet the patients. It is really not that difficult. I'm tired of all the excuses for why doctors are incompetent at running a business.
I vet my clients before a consult. Why can't they? Private practice can absolutely refuse service. They can also charge fees for services. If I have a PITA client, I charge for all the services.

I pay out of pocket for a concierge GP service and LOVE it. It absolutely can be done. Doctors are just greedy.

Please explain “vet them”. Like turn them away if they don’t pay what the doctor wants? You may get away with that in your law practice, but a doctor can’t. It’s not ethical. That’s probably really hard for you to understand.

Firstly, that's not true at all. Doctors are not ethically required to accept all patients. That's only incumbent on ERs. Try going to a plastic surgeon and explaining that you cannot pay the fees. They 100% can turn you away. And practices turn away bad fit patients all the time. This is not hard to understand.

But instead of over scheduling every single patient, they can triage through nursing, virtual appointments, tel consults, etc. when necessary. There are about a dozen different modern options available through technology which any medical practice can implement to provide services at different price points, convenience levels and urgency needs. BUT they don't. Because they can charge for every head that comes in.

Not rocket science, and clearly not difficult for anyone to understand.

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In 2021, more than 117,000 physicians left the workforce.

That's a number that takes 5 years of medical school graduations to replace. It's also not getting better.

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Anonymous wrote:I look forward to the day when doctors are replaced by computers which can scan your body and analyze test results and diagnose your prognosis.

Alas, the most sensitive predictor of neonatal sepsis is still an experienced clinician's hands, eyes, and brain, not any lab tests.

Perhaps soon.

And computers now out preform radiologists reading mammograms. Certain things are easier to automate than others

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I beat feet when the time is a half hour after my appointment time. Only waited past a half hour for a company mandated physical for my CDL.

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Anonymous wrote:I had an Ortho show up 40 minutes late once. I was his first appointment of the day. I saw him arrive while sitting in the waiting room. I asked him why I was kept waiting so long and he lied and said he’d been stuck with another patient. I told him that I saw him walk past me with his coat on his arm and a cup of coffee.. Never went back to him again. This was at CAO Ortho in foxhall.

If he is an ortho surgeon he might have been held up doing rounds prior to going to his practice. Some of you don't seem to understand what doctors do.

So...poor scheduling. Allocate more time for rounds.

Allocate more time from where? They can’t control if 7 new ortho patients got admitted overnight and suddenly they are rounding on 12 patients instead of 5. Or 20 instead of 5.

Start office hours later on hospital days.

It's not that hard to figure out.

Got it. So, see fewer patients overall. Sounds ideal. Hope you don’t need to see a specialist anytime soon because they’ve taken your advice and your appointment date for your brain tumor is in March 2024.

Yes, see fewer patients if you can't figure out how to manage your time and schedule better.

Uh, maybe manage your health better and then you won't need to see your doctor.

I'm good with my doctors, thanks. I dropped the ones who can't handle the basics.

So what are you moaning about?

Doctors with poor scheduling. Try to keep up.

Why, though? Apparently it doesn't affect you.

Why are you on this thread? Are you bad at scheduling your time? Need any pointers?

Nope, but I'm curious what you do, since you seem to have so much criticism for doctors. Obviously your job is not nearly as busy nor important as a doctor's.

Only the ones with poor scheduling skills. I've had great doctors too.

So how many patients have you pissed off this week so far? Remember - it's only Tuesday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am 100% with you, OP. I am so tired of the social acceptance that doctors can keep you waiting an hour plus - all because they over schedule the same time slots. It is the sh$ttiest practice model and we all seem to take it over and over again. I have zero sympathy for most practices, as I've yet to have a doctor who was genuinely remorseful or sympathetic that a patient had been left in a waiting room to waste their valuable time.

I'm an attorney. I can promise you that if I left a client waiting for 45 minutes, they'd find another atty - and with good reason. We should not be shelling out money to professionals who disrespects their entire client base day in and day out.

And all of this "but it was an emergency!" BS. No, it is not an emergency every day. It is a culture of overbooking. Period.

and why do they overbook? Because people expect- no, demand!- to see a doctor for every little thing, and a specialist half the time at that. If you want them to see fewer patients, expect that you won’t ever get an appointment unless you’re aboht to die, and even then it will be for 2 weeks from now.

Then vet the patients. It is really not that difficult. I'm tired of all the excuses for why doctors are incompetent at running a business.
I vet my clients before a consult. Why can't they? Private practice can absolutely refuse service. They can also charge fees for services. If I have a PITA client, I charge for all the services.

I pay out of pocket for a concierge GP service and LOVE it. It absolutely can be done. Doctors are just greedy.

Please explain “vet them”. Like turn them away if they don’t pay what the doctor wants? You may get away with that in your law practice, but a doctor can’t. It’s not ethical. That’s probably really hard for you to understand.

Firstly, that's not true at all. Doctors are not ethically required to accept all patients. That's only incumbent on ERs. Try going to a plastic surgeon and explaining that you cannot pay the fees. They 100% can turn you away. And practices turn away bad fit patients all the time. This is not hard to understand.

But instead of over scheduling every single patient, they can triage through nursing, virtual appointments, tel consults, etc. when necessary. There are about a dozen different modern options available through technology which any medical practice can implement to provide services at different price points, convenience levels and urgency needs. BUT they don't. Because they can charge for every head that comes in.

Not rocket science, and clearly not difficult for anyone to understand.

Wait -- do you think that if a patient is booked for just one thing, then that is all you deal with in the visit?

[Anonymous]

Why don't we charge them for being late?

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So annoying and rude. I hate when that happens, OP.