Is it accepted that Diana was assassinated?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread begs the question: What would have happened if Diana didn’t die in 1997 and was still alive today? What influence would her life have had on her sons, the royal family, and public opinion over the past 25 years?


It’s anyone’s guess. She could have died in another crash later or found the love of her life in America.
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Anonymous wrote:It'd be very silly to assassinate someone in a manner she would have survived if she'd been wearing a seat belt. She died because she wasn't restrained and her head hit part of the car.


I don’t think so. She was conscious and coherent when they found her. I think it was internal bleeding/trauma.


She was barely conscious and only could moan a few words.


She said more than a few words. She did not bleed out at the scene. No seatbelt and backwards ass emergency response are to blame. If that happens in DC she is in the hospital in under 30 mins and possibly in surgery in 45 mins. In trauma it is called the golden hour. Apparently France never got the memo. It is one of the reasons most of the rest of the world truly sucks. It is Paris and someone dies that maybe could have been saved. Pick a second tier US city ---- Jacksonville? Would not have happened there.


BS - there was no incompetence in the treatment she received in the Paris hospital that treated her. They identified the injury and sought to repair it, but the damage was too extensive by that point. Diana’s incompetence killed her, which is the most tragic aspect of her ending. Even if she wasn’t familiar with the driver and didn’t realized he was drunk, when they began speeding in the paparazzi chase, she should have buckled up. She was a mother and owed it to her children. The damage caused by that poor decision is evident in the relationship between her sons today.

Pathologist reveals 'tiny, rare' injury killed Princess Diana

NZ Herald
NZ Herald,
Mon, 8 Apr 2019, 2:39pm

For years conspiracies have swirled as to whether Diana's death was an inside job.

Shepherd has revealed Diana's fatal injury was "tiny" - and he has never seen a similar cause of death in his decades as a top pathologist. The cause of death also explains how Diana could be conscious and able to speak to rescuers, but her condition quickly worsened.

And if she had been wearing a seatbelt Diana may have survived the crash with just a black eye, rib injuries and maybe a broken arm.

In 2004 a British police inquiry was opened to establish if there as any reason to doubt that Diana and Dodi Fayed were victims of a road crash accident, with Shepherd appointed to review the evidence.

In a new book Unnatural Causes Shepherd details the crash that ultimately claimed Diana's life - revealing an extremely rare and small injury is what eventually killed the former Princess of Wales.

In the car was driver Henri Paul, with Diana and partner Dodi Fayed in the back seats of the Mercedes, and Fayed's bodyguard, Trevor Rees-Jones, sitting on the right of the driver, in front of Diana.

The only occupant wearing a seatbelt was bodyguard Rees-Jones.

"Driver Henri Paul hit the steering wheel and his injuries reflected that but, microseconds later, he was also hit from behind by Dodi, who was a big man and who was still travelling at more than 60mp/h," Shepherd writes in the book.

"Henri Paul effectively acted as Dodi's airbag and he died instantly. So did Dodi.

"Diana was slightly more fortunate because their bodyguard, Trevor Rees-Jones, was sitting in front of her and he was strapped in."

Shepherd explained that bodyguards don't often wear seatbelts as it restricts their movement, but on this occasion Rees-Jones was.

"Belts are designed to give gradually while they restrain. So he was held by the belt and partially padded by the car's airbag, which by now had inflated, as Diana's body catapulted forward from the back seat.

"She was much lighter than Dodi and Rees-Jones's belt would have absorbed some of the extra force. This slightly lessened the energy of the impact for her.

"She actually suffered just a few broken bones and a small chest injury – but this included a tiny tear in a vein in one of her lungs."

Diana was initially conscious and talking, but she soon fell into cardiac arrest. During surgery, medical staff identified the problem - a tear to a vital vein.

Richard Shepherd is a top UK pathologist asked to review Diana's autopsy.

Richard Shepherd is a top UK pathologist asked to review Diana's autopsy.

Shepherd describes the injury and the location of the injury as something he's never seen in his decades as a pathologist and says it explains why Diana was initially conscious and able to communicate.

"In the ambulance, she gradually lost consciousness. When she suffered a cardiac arrest, every effort was made to resuscitate her and in hospital she went into surgery, where they did identify the problem and attempted to repair the vein. But, sadly, by then it was too late.

"Her initial period of consciousness and initial survival after the accident is characteristic of a tear to a vital vein. Anatomically, it's hidden away, deep in the centre of the chest.

"Veins, of course, are not subject to the same high-pressure pumping as arteries. They bleed much more slowly. In fact, they bleed so slowly that identifying the problem is hard enough. And, if it is identified, repairing it is even harder.

"Her specific injury is so rare that in my entire career I don't believe I've seen another.

"Diana's was a very small injury – but in the wrong place. Diana's death is a classic example of the way we say, after almost every death: if only. If only she had hit the seat in front at a slightly different angle. If only she had been thrown forward 10mp/h more slowly.

"If only she had been put in an ambulance immediately. But the biggest if only, in Diana's case, was within her own control."

Shepherd says if Diana had worn a seatbelt she may probably would have survived and appeared in public two days later with a black eye, fractured ribs and maybe a broken arm.

Among the what-ifs Shepherd is sure of one thing - the cause of her death was rare and indisputable.

"The pathology of her death is, I believe, indisputable. But around that tiny, fatal tear in a pulmonary vein are woven many other facts, some of which are sufficiently opaque to allow a multitude of theories to blossom.

"But I entirely concurred with the findings of the inquiry. It was a tragic accident."


Not BS. It's not the hospital. It's the trauma response. She would have been to the hospital much much earlier. They could have fixed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think the accident might very well have been an accident.

HOWEVER, I believe the Queen absolutely knew Diana would die. She effectively signed off on her death when she did not order Scottland Yard to protect Diana after the divorce. Diana was childlike and naive in many ways, and when she got divorced she declined security (probably because she just wanted to be done with the royals). The queen could have ordered her protection but didn’t. Diana then went on a giant media campaign to make her Pakistani ex-boyfriend jealous by flaunting her relationship with Dodi. So I think it was a perfect storm, but the queen knew it was going to happen and had zero interest in stopping it from playing out.


I believe that Diana refused government body guards because she knew they would go back to Charles with everything she did.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the accident might very well have been an accident.

HOWEVER, I believe the Queen absolutely knew Diana would die. She effectively signed off on her death when she did not order Scottland Yard to protect Diana after the divorce. Diana was childlike and naive in many ways, and when she got divorced she declined security (probably because she just wanted to be done with the royals). The queen could have ordered her protection but didn’t. Diana then went on a giant media campaign to make her Pakistani ex-boyfriend jealous by flaunting her relationship with Dodi. So I think it was a perfect storm, but the queen knew it was going to happen and had zero interest in stopping it from playing out.


I believe that Diana refused government body guards because she knew they would go back to Charles with everything she did.


Yes this is correct. She declined them after the divorce. Some people believe the BRF should have insisted, but I don't think that is fair.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think they offed William, the future king's, mother. I just can't believe any grandmother today would make that call for her grandchildren. It was a total accident.


Do you really think the Queen made any decisions? The firm makes them and she follows.

Maybe the RF had a hand, maybe not. Maybe the firm did! They knew Charles was moving forward with Camilla. It wouldn’t do for him to be King and a “mistress” at his side. Per the church, Diana and Charles were still married. Apparently even after death since Charles and Camilla had a civil ceremony not open to the public.


What?! The Queen was the firm and now Charles is the firm. What he says goes within that family.

Almost every PoW/King has jmjad a mistress.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread begs the question: What would have happened if Diana didn’t die in 1997 and was still alive today? What influence would her life have had on her sons, the royal family, and public opinion over the past 25 years?


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Anonymous wrote:This thread begs the question: What would have happened if Diana didn’t die in 1997 and was still alive today? What influence would her life have had on her sons, the royal family, and public opinion over the past 25 years?





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I'm pretty sure it was an accident.
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Yeah no, you sound dumb.
Anonymous
How did the assassin make sure she didn't wear a seatbelt and also make sure that the driver voluntarily got drunk?
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Anonymous wrote:How did the assassin make sure she didn't wear a seatbelt and also make sure that the driver voluntarily got drunk?

I think a lot of the “assassination” talk is from people who think that if the royal family had offered her the best possible security she would have been driven by someone who wasn’t drunk and who would have made her wear a seatbelt. But I think they did offer and sue refused because she didn’t want them keeping tabs on her.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:How did the assassin make sure she didn't wear a seatbelt and also make sure that the driver voluntarily got drunk?


Assassins trained for centuries. There is a documentary on the sect the queen used.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2094766/
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I consider myself pretty grounded in reality. I agree Di was not killed. However, I do not think Epstein committed suicide one bit. Not even a question he was killed. Wasn’t even far enough into it.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to understand being a mom to two young children and not wearing a seatbelt. Nope. Can’t do it.

A terrible accident exacerbated by multiple irresponsible decisions (on multiple people’s parts).

I heard an internet whisper that the belts weren’t all working in the car. I have never read that in a legitimate source and can’t even remember where I saw it, but Diana was known for being stickler for wearing a seatbelt, so it does make it just that much weirder that she wasn’t.
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Anonymous wrote:It'd be very silly to assassinate someone in a manner she would have survived if she'd been wearing a seat belt. She died because she wasn't restrained and her head hit part of the car.


I don’t think so. She was conscious and coherent when they found her. I think it was internal bleeding/trauma.


She was barely conscious and only could moan a few words.


She said more than a few words. She did not bleed out at the scene. No seatbelt and backwards ass emergency response are to blame. If that happens in DC she is in the hospital in under 30 mins and possibly in surgery in 45 mins. In trauma it is called the golden hour. Apparently France never got the memo. It is one of the reasons most of the rest of the world truly sucks. It is Paris and someone dies that maybe could have been saved. Pick a second tier US city ---- Jacksonville? Would not have happened there.


BS - there was no incompetence in the treatment she received in the Paris hospital that treated her. They identified the injury and sought to repair it, but the damage was too extensive by that point. Diana’s incompetence killed her, which is the most tragic aspect of her ending. Even if she wasn’t familiar with the driver and didn’t realized he was drunk, when they began speeding in the paparazzi chase, she should have buckled up. She was a mother and owed it to her children. The damage caused by that poor decision is evident in the relationship between her sons today.

Pathologist reveals 'tiny, rare' injury killed Princess Diana

NZ Herald
NZ Herald,
Mon, 8 Apr 2019, 2:39pm

For years conspiracies have swirled as to whether Diana's death was an inside job.

Shepherd has revealed Diana's fatal injury was "tiny" - and he has never seen a similar cause of death in his decades as a top pathologist. The cause of death also explains how Diana could be conscious and able to speak to rescuers, but her condition quickly worsened.

And if she had been wearing a seatbelt Diana may have survived the crash with just a black eye, rib injuries and maybe a broken arm.

In 2004 a British police inquiry was opened to establish if there as any reason to doubt that Diana and Dodi Fayed were victims of a road crash accident, with Shepherd appointed to review the evidence.

In a new book Unnatural Causes Shepherd details the crash that ultimately claimed Diana's life - revealing an extremely rare and small injury is what eventually killed the former Princess of Wales.

In the car was driver Henri Paul, with Diana and partner Dodi Fayed in the back seats of the Mercedes, and Fayed's bodyguard, Trevor Rees-Jones, sitting on the right of the driver, in front of Diana.

The only occupant wearing a seatbelt was bodyguard Rees-Jones.

"Driver Henri Paul hit the steering wheel and his injuries reflected that but, microseconds later, he was also hit from behind by Dodi, who was a big man and who was still travelling at more than 60mp/h," Shepherd writes in the book.

"Henri Paul effectively acted as Dodi's airbag and he died instantly. So did Dodi.

"Diana was slightly more fortunate because their bodyguard, Trevor Rees-Jones, was sitting in front of her and he was strapped in."

Shepherd explained that bodyguards don't often wear seatbelts as it restricts their movement, but on this occasion Rees-Jones was.

"Belts are designed to give gradually while they restrain. So he was held by the belt and partially padded by the car's airbag, which by now had inflated, as Diana's body catapulted forward from the back seat.

"She was much lighter than Dodi and Rees-Jones's belt would have absorbed some of the extra force. This slightly lessened the energy of the impact for her.

"She actually suffered just a few broken bones and a small chest injury – but this included a tiny tear in a vein in one of her lungs."

Diana was initially conscious and talking, but she soon fell into cardiac arrest. During surgery, medical staff identified the problem - a tear to a vital vein.

Richard Shepherd is a top UK pathologist asked to review Diana's autopsy.

Richard Shepherd is a top UK pathologist asked to review Diana's autopsy.

Shepherd describes the injury and the location of the injury as something he's never seen in his decades as a pathologist and says it explains why Diana was initially conscious and able to communicate.

"In the ambulance, she gradually lost consciousness. When she suffered a cardiac arrest, every effort was made to resuscitate her and in hospital she went into surgery, where they did identify the problem and attempted to repair the vein. But, sadly, by then it was too late.

"Her initial period of consciousness and initial survival after the accident is characteristic of a tear to a vital vein. Anatomically, it's hidden away, deep in the centre of the chest.

"Veins, of course, are not subject to the same high-pressure pumping as arteries. They bleed much more slowly. In fact, they bleed so slowly that identifying the problem is hard enough. And, if it is identified, repairing it is even harder.

"Her specific injury is so rare that in my entire career I don't believe I've seen another.

"Diana's was a very small injury – but in the wrong place. Diana's death is a classic example of the way we say, after almost every death: if only. If only she had hit the seat in front at a slightly different angle. If only she had been thrown forward 10mp/h more slowly.

"If only she had been put in an ambulance immediately. But the biggest if only, in Diana's case, was within her own control."

Shepherd says if Diana had worn a seatbelt she may probably would have survived and appeared in public two days later with a black eye, fractured ribs and maybe a broken arm.

Among the what-ifs Shepherd is sure of one thing - the cause of her death was rare and indisputable.

"The pathology of her death is, I believe, indisputable. But around that tiny, fatal tear in a pulmonary vein are woven many other facts, some of which are sufficiently opaque to allow a multitude of theories to blossom.

"But I entirely concurred with the findings of the inquiry. It was a tragic accident."


Not BS. It's not the hospital. It's the trauma response. She would have been to the hospital much much earlier. They could have fixed.

Are you very young or something? It was explained endlessly at the time that France does the initial trauma treatment differently from England or the US. They stabilize and begin to treat at the site vs the way we rush trauma victims to the hospital ASAP. I don’t know which works better, but they’ve done it that way for a while and presumably they have some techniques.
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