Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
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You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
Why would one test an asymptomatic child? They won’t test positive because there would be no test.
Isn’t this one of the reasons for the in-school testing? To identify asymptomatic, positive students (who could very well spread the illness to their classmates)? Two of my Covid positive students were identified this way since January. Other students who sit near them also tested positive (but many of these were identified by parents testing at home).
People are done with covid. That is the bottom line. You just have to deal with it.
But sadly COVID isn't done with you.
LOL, COVID hasn't even grazed our family. But thanks for your concern. We won't let COVID dictate our decisions.
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
m
You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
Why would one test an asymptomatic child? They won’t test positive because there would be no test.
Isn’t this one of the reasons for the in-school testing? To identify asymptomatic, positive students (who could very well spread the illness to their classmates)? Two of my Covid positive students were identified this way since January. Other students who sit near them also tested positive (but many of these were identified by parents testing at home).
People are done with covid. That is the bottom line. You just have to deal with it.
But sadly COVID isn't done with you.
LOL, COVID hasn't even grazed our family. But thanks for your concern. We won't let COVID dictate our decisions.
Just when we thought we were safe we all got COVID!
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
m
You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
Why would one test an asymptomatic child? They won’t test positive because there would be no test.
Isn’t this one of the reasons for the in-school testing? To identify asymptomatic, positive students (who could very well spread the illness to their classmates)? Two of my Covid positive students were identified this way since January. Other students who sit near them also tested positive (but many of these were identified by parents testing at home).
People are done with covid. That is the bottom line. You just have to deal with it.
But sadly COVID isn't done with you.
Oh well. You can make this same post in the year 2030. I truly DGAF.
And you likely won’t until it impacts someone in your family is some unforeseen way. It’s about GAF about OTHERS. If you KNOW you’re contagious in any way, how can you justify intentionally being around others? I guess if you DGAF, that about sums up your consideration of others. You super suck.
They sound like a horrible human being. They won't quarantine when sick with COVID because it isn't convenient and will knowingly infect others because they DGAF. Lovely...
People have stopped testing because of these policies. The vast majority of people wouldn’t send a symptomatic, COVID + kid to school. But draconian policies causing kids to miss way too much school is making people decide not to test for mild illnesses. Whether you like it or not, the result is the same.
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
m
You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
Why would one test an asymptomatic child? They won’t test positive because there would be no test.
Isn’t this one of the reasons for the in-school testing? To identify asymptomatic, positive students (who could very well spread the illness to their classmates)? Two of my Covid positive students were identified this way since January. Other students who sit near them also tested positive (but many of these were identified by parents testing at home).
People are done with covid. That is the bottom line. You just have to deal with it.
But sadly COVID isn't done with you.
LOL, COVID hasn't even grazed our family. But thanks for your concern. We won't let COVID dictate our decisions.
Just when we thought we were safe we all got COVID!
We’re vaccinated, so we’re safe. Like almost everyone, we already got Covid. 3 out of 4 of us were asymptomatic, the 4th had a cold for a day.
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
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You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
Why would one test an asymptomatic child? They won’t test positive because there would be no test.
Isn’t this one of the reasons for the in-school testing? To identify asymptomatic, positive students (who could very well spread the illness to their classmates)? Two of my Covid positive students were identified this way since January. Other students who sit near them also tested positive (but many of these were identified by parents testing at home).
People are done with covid. That is the bottom line. You just have to deal with it.
But sadly COVID isn't done with you.
LOL, COVID hasn't even grazed our family. But thanks for your concern. We won't let COVID dictate our decisions.
Just when we thought we were safe we all got COVID!
We’re vaccinated, so we’re safe. Like almost everyone, we already got Covid. 3 out of 4 of us were asymptomatic, the 4th had a cold for a day.
Did you test (sounds like you did) and if so, did your kids go to school?
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
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You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
Why would one test an asymptomatic child? They won’t test positive because there would be no test.
Isn’t this one of the reasons for the in-school testing? To identify asymptomatic, positive students (who could very well spread the illness to their classmates)? Two of my Covid positive students were identified this way since January. Other students who sit near them also tested positive (but many of these were identified by parents testing at home).
People are done with covid. That is the bottom line. You just have to deal with it.
But sadly COVID isn't done with you.
LOL, COVID hasn't even grazed our family. But thanks for your concern. We won't let COVID dictate our decisions.
Just when we thought we were safe we all got COVID!
We’re vaccinated, so we’re safe. Like almost everyone, we already got Covid. 3 out of 4 of us were asymptomatic, the 4th had a cold for a day.
Did you test (sounds like you did) and if so, did your kids go to school?
Yes, we were testing frequently because one family member is immunosuppressed, so we wanted to know when they tested positive to start therapeutics.
The kids returned after 5 days. I’m a rule follower, even when the rules are stupid.
Anonymous wrote:This is the OP. Thank you for the thoughtful responses and perspectives. You’ve given me a lot to think about. I agree with the posters who note the impact of quarantine on kids who’ve already suffered from lack of in person school (my son included) and yet face being pulled out of school for symptoms less severe than other diseases that don’t require draconian quarantine.
Will also note that the asynchronous learning my son had this week - a module of reading and a model of math - was hardly a substitute for any of the content he’d be doing in his class. DH and I added some content and activities but if he were out for more than a week and/or was already behind it would be disastrous for his learning.
It will be interesting to see if the county / public health officials update the guidance for cases where symptoms are so light. I’m going to withdraw my kids from the testing pool next year if the Covid variants continue to be so mild for vaccinated people. I’m not sending a clearly sick kid with a fever and heavy cough to school, or sending a child with no appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. But the flip of it is I’m not keeping my very healthy child who has been symptom free for 48 hours home. I’m done.
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
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You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
Is that the way you feel about potentially more significant ailments compared to the current omicron variant - like the flu? My child had the flu this winter. Symptoms included fever and bad cough. He was permitted to go back to school on day 4. Same kid has asymptomatic Covid but has to stay out for 5 days. This is nuts. At some point we need to recognize that the Covid virus has mutated into a very mild form that is no harsher than a cold for most vaccinated people. Are we keeping kids out of school for a week at a time for colds? Stomach bugs? Flus?
So, basically we should all be like you and stop caring about spread or transmission, which very much can happen with asymptomatic covid. What is wrong with you? Yes, we should keep kids out of school. Its called being a parent. Try it.
I don't care if my healthy kid happens to test positive for COVID. I am not isolating him. You can put your kid in a muzzle if you're scared of us.
My IQ went down 10 points after reading the above post. Seriously, that's got to be the most moronic thing I've read all year.
DP
No. It’s moronic to test asymptomatic kids at this point. It’s moronic to isolate kids who have no symptoms.
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher (vaccinated/boosted). I had three students out this past week with Covid (all three of these students do not wear masks). I also have families who have stopped the in-school testing for their children (these students don’t wear masks at school). My situation may not be something that comes to mind with many of you. I am scheduled to have surgery in less than four weeks. If I test positive for Covid, I can’t have surgery. My surgeon wanted to operate sooner, but I wanted to wait until school was over. It’s a surgery with a long recovery and I need the summer to recuperate. I am doing everything I can while in the classroom (including wearing a proper mask) to avoid testing positive. It doesn’t matter if I’m asymptomatic. A positive test result means I can’t have surgery in June.
Sometimes testing is about protecting others who may have situations you know nothing about.
As someone with immediate family members with complicated medical conditions, I’m fairly sympathetic to those, but I’m pretty confused by what sort of surgery would have such a long recovery period that you couldn’t wait 2 weeks after school and still be able to work in the fall. One of my family members was jogging less than 3 months after a liver transplant, and there aren’t a lot of procedures with longer recovery times than that.
Having surgery at the end of June gives me the time to recover so I WILL be able to work in August.
Understood, but while I obviously have no idea what sort of surgery you’re having done, it really seems like having the surgery at the of June or the beginning of July would either allow you to go back before classes resume, or at least minimize time away. If you’re really that concerned about the impact of getting covid, it seems like waiting a couple weeks would have been a good tradeoff.
Interesting that it’s being done at a hospital. Almost everything non-emergent is done at outpatient surgical centers these days.
Unbelievable. Someone posts about their surgery and dcurbsnmom types blame them, interrogate them, and pretty much accuse them of lying.
I ask myself time and again... What is wrong with you people?
No accusations intended. I’m really curious about what she’s having done. It sounds like it must be an unusual procedure.
Why? Is your life that hollow and empty? Do you watch a lot of surgery shows? Does health confidentiality only apply to *your* family?
She’s the one that brought up the surgery and extended recovery time.
Dp. I agree it made sense to be curious. She was saying she was having a surgery that takes over 2.5 months to recover from and couldn’t possibly delay it to allow her to actually isolate before hand. And this was a reason for kids to be isolating, masking, and testing for light illnesses. She should be challenged.
I think “challenged” is the wrong word. But she brought up an interesting scenario and left of hanging on the details. Of course I’m going to wonder.
Gastric sleeve is a good guess. And while I'm sure they said the recovery time would be several months, I highly, highly doubt they'd tell someone they'd need to take 2 months off work for that.
Regardless of the surgery and to the point of this thread, expecting asymptomatic children to stay home from school for a full week despite the fact that they’re feeling good and ready to learn to avoid infection before surgery is not reasonable. The more reasonable path is that the individual who is going into surgery isolates for two weeks prior. There’s no such thing as zero risk even with masking and testing. Enough with the disruption to our kids education!
Do you feel the same way about asymptomatic people at your place of work? Are you o.k. working side by side with coworkers who have tested positive but are asymptomatic? What if they tell you they “feel fine?” They’re still testing positive and you can honestly say you have no problem working side by side this person?
DP, but of course. Who expects coworkers to test for asymptomatic illnesses? That’s a risk you take by living around others.
+100
That’s not what I meant. Posters have said that asymptomatic children should be allowed in school and not forced to remain home for five days because they “feel fine.” My question is… Are you comfortable working side-by-side a coworker who has tested positive and comes to work because they “feel fine.” Maybe they tested because a family member tested positive. Regardless of the reason for testing, if a person knows they have tested positive and comes into your place of work, are you comfortable working in a room all day with this person? Wouldn’t you prefer the positive person remains home for the recommended five days?
And I said I was fine with that. What wasn’t clear about that? If I don’t care if someone doesn’t test and comes into work, why would I care if they do test and come into work? Potentially being exposed to an asymptomatic person with covid is just like potentially being exposed to someone with asymptomatic cold/flu. It’s a risk I accepted without a second thought long ago.
So if I’m your coworker and I test positive and let you know I’m Covid positive, you are comfortable working with me all day in a small room? I would want my coworker to stay home for the recommended five days. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point.
Here's the problem with your scenario. People should not be testing if there are no symptoms. See? Problem solved.
I’m not talking about randomly testing throughout the week. If one of my kids tests positive, then my husband and I would also test ourselves. Wouldn’t you do the same? If one of us tests positive, we would adhere to the recommended five day isolation and stay at home and not go into work. We would stay home IF we test positive. See?
You’re not vaccinated? The guidelines say you don't need to test. Obviously that doesn't mean you can't get infected, but it demonstrates that from a public health perspective there's an acceptance that people will get covid and need to carry on with their lives.
Where did I say I was not vaccinated? Of course I'm vaccinated. The above situation actually did happen with our family. One of our children tested positive (highly symptomatic) on a Sunday. At the time, Covid was running rampant within her school. The rest of us continued to go to school and work until we tested positive. I tested positive on Wednesday. I was also highly symptomatic and very sick. After testing postive, I stayed home from work for the recommened period of time. We all ended up testing positive within 10 days of child#1. One of our children was essentially asymptomatic, but we kept her home from school...because that's what is required and it makes sense. According to many of the posters, we should have just sent her to school because she was asymptomatic.
m
You left out the part about being symptomatic. The posts had been about asymptomatic individuals. I don’t think anyone was suggesting people that are actively showing symptoms that would otherwise dictate staying home should go out with covid. They’re saying people without symptoms should do whatever they want, regardless of whether they decide to test or not.
People who test positive, should not be able to do whatever they want if they're asymptomatic. Consider yourself lucky if youre asymptomatic, but stay away from others to protect them.
If you really believe that, then you’re just saying people shouldn’t test are all if they’re not going to isolate for 5-10 days. I fail to see how that’s any better, even in your mind.
Admittedly, testing is a waste of resources, so maybe we should be heavily discouraging it as you propose.
I’m not testing my kids unless they are sick and only if they have a fever, etc. I don’t send my sick, feverish, hacking, vomiting kid to school but I’m not keeping my asymptomatic child home.
If your child tests positive, you won't keep your child at home (because they're asymptomatic)? Wow. You are probably one of the parents who have now opted out of the in-school testing.
DP
I am most definitely opting out of in-school testing going forward. It’s ridiculous. I was forced to sign my kid up because he’s not vaccinated and we had a close contact. (ES made us sign up for kid to go back to school back in the winter.)
Definitely no testing for my kid next school year. It’s ridiculous. We don’t randomly test asymptomatic kids every two weeks for the flu. Time to quit this nonsense for Covid.
Though, the testing company is clearly making a fortune. CIAN, I think?
Anonymous wrote:This is the OP. Thank you for the thoughtful responses and perspectives. You’ve given me a lot to think about. I agree with the posters who note the impact of quarantine on kids who’ve already suffered from lack of in person school (my son included) and yet face being pulled out of school for symptoms less severe than other diseases that don’t require draconian quarantine.
Will also note that the asynchronous learning my son had this week - a module of reading and a model of math - was hardly a substitute for any of the content he’d be doing in his class. DH and I added some content and activities but if he were out for more than a week and/or was already behind it would be disastrous for his learning.
It will be interesting to see if the county / public health officials update the guidance for cases where symptoms are so light. I’m going to withdraw my kids from the testing pool next year if the Covid variants continue to be so mild for vaccinated people. I’m not sending a clearly sick kid with a fever and heavy cough to school, or sending a child with no appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. But the flip of it is I’m not keeping my very healthy child who has been symptom free for 48 hours home. I’m done.
I'm with you.
They should make in-person school require parents to sign a testing waiver. If they want to opt-out their kids can attend the virtual academy.
Your son had a mild case but not every child does.
Putting your son back in school while contagious means that medically vulnerable kids or kids who have parents at home who are vulnerable are at risk. I hope we don't relax standards - they are already too lenient and allow contagious adults and kids to stop isolating.
Your question is one I find particularly troubling. We all have incredible inconveniences when kids are sick. The way to minimize this is not to put kids back in school earlier but to keep them out longer.
If everyone kept kids home more responsibly, each kid would get sick less often and we'd all benefit.
So your question should not be how can you do less but how can you do more to be a good parent and citizen.
My 4 year old did NOT have a mild case and he passed it to me and I cannot breathe 4 weeks later. So do not think for a second that everyone is as lucky as your child was.
Your constant reference to why does he have to sacrifice when he's feeling fine (but very contagious) makes me sad. I bet you think you are a good person but I see a lot of selfishness there you should really think about.
Anonymous wrote:This is the OP. Thank you for the thoughtful responses and perspectives. You’ve given me a lot to think about. I agree with the posters who note the impact of quarantine on kids who’ve already suffered from lack of in person school (my son included) and yet face being pulled out of school for symptoms less severe than other diseases that don’t require draconian quarantine.
Will also note that the asynchronous learning my son had this week - a module of reading and a model of math - was hardly a substitute for any of the content he’d be doing in his class. DH and I added some content and activities but if he were out for more than a week and/or was already behind it would be disastrous for his learning.
It will be interesting to see if the county / public health officials update the guidance for cases where symptoms are so light. I’m going to withdraw my kids from the testing pool next year if the Covid variants continue to be so mild for vaccinated people. I’m not sending a clearly sick kid with a fever and heavy cough to school, or sending a child with no appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. But the flip of it is I’m not keeping my very healthy child who has been symptom free for 48 hours home. I’m done.
I'm with you.
They should make in-person school require parents to sign a testing waiver. If they want to opt-out their kids can attend the virtual academy.
With an attitude like that, I’m sure you either don’t have kids or, if you do, they’re in VA. So what do you care? The majority of responses here say they’re comfortable accepting a slightly higher risk of Covid in order to minimize disruptions at school.
Anonymous wrote:Your son had a mild case but not every child does.
Putting your son back in school while contagious means that medically vulnerable kids or kids who have parents at home who are vulnerable are at risk. I hope we don't relax standards - they are already too lenient and allow contagious adults and kids to stop isolating.
Your question is one I find particularly troubling. We all have incredible inconveniences when kids are sick. The way to minimize this is not to put kids back in school earlier but to keep them out longer.
If everyone kept kids home more responsibly, each kid would get sick less often and we'd all benefit.
So your question should not be how can you do less but how can you do more to be a good parent and citizen.
My 4 year old did NOT have a mild case and he passed it to me and I cannot breathe 4 weeks later. So do not think for a second that everyone is as lucky as your child was.
Your constant reference to why does he have to sacrifice when he's feeling fine (but very contagious) makes me sad. I bet you think you are a good person but I see a lot of selfishness there you should really think about.
I’m not the OP, but I think the assertion that kids without symptoms are “very contagious” doesn’t have enough evidence behind it to drive policy. The fact is that, in the past, we weren’t worried about kids who may have had asymptomatic flu or colds (e.g., from other coronaviruses). The way we’ve treated SARS-CoV2 is new, because it’s a novel virus. That makes sense for a time, but not as it no longer becomes novel to us. It’s not sustainable to keep asymptomatic kids out of school for, what, a week? 10 days? each time they may be contagious with something. It’s not sustainable for their educations or their socialization, nor from an economic perspective, not unless the US wants to subsidize sick leave for every single working adult in the country.
I understand that some people find this position selfish. I think it’s selfish (and ill-informed) to expect everyone to prioritize COVID over every other public health concern, indefinitely, with no consideration of the downsides of this approach.
Anonymous wrote:Your son had a mild case but not every child does.
Putting your son back in school while contagious means that medically vulnerable kids or kids who have parents at home who are vulnerable are at risk. I hope we don't relax standards - they are already too lenient and allow contagious adults and kids to stop isolating.
Your question is one I find particularly troubling. We all have incredible inconveniences when kids are sick. The way to minimize this is not to put kids back in school earlier but to keep them out longer.
If everyone kept kids home more responsibly, each kid would get sick less often and we'd all benefit.
So your question should not be how can you do less but how can you do more to be a good parent and citizen.
My 4 year old did NOT have a mild case and he passed it to me and I cannot breathe 4 weeks later. So do not think for a second that everyone is as lucky as your child was.
Your constant reference to why does he have to sacrifice when he's feeling fine (but very contagious) makes me sad. I bet you think you are a good person but I see a lot of selfishness there you should really think about.
Who’s the selfish one? You’re the one trying to keep other kids out of school for your own benefit.
Anonymous wrote:This is the OP. Thank you for the thoughtful responses and perspectives. You’ve given me a lot to think about. I agree with the posters who note the impact of quarantine on kids who’ve already suffered from lack of in person school (my son included) and yet face being pulled out of school for symptoms less severe than other diseases that don’t require draconian quarantine.
Will also note that the asynchronous learning my son had this week - a module of reading and a model of math - was hardly a substitute for any of the content he’d be doing in his class. DH and I added some content and activities but if he were out for more than a week and/or was already behind it would be disastrous for his learning.
It will be interesting to see if the county / public health officials update the guidance for cases where symptoms are so light. I’m going to withdraw my kids from the testing pool next year if the Covid variants continue to be so mild for vaccinated people. I’m not sending a clearly sick kid with a fever and heavy cough to school, or sending a child with no appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. But the flip of it is I’m not keeping my very healthy child who has been symptom free for 48 hours home. I’m done.
I'm with you.
They should make in-person school require parents to sign a testing waiver. If they want to opt-out their kids can attend the virtual academy.
With an attitude like that, I’m sure you either don’t have kids or, if you do, they’re in VA. So what do you care? The majority of responses here say they’re comfortable accepting a slightly higher risk of Covid in order to minimize disruptions at school.
No I just don't feel everyone else should be put at risk because of selfish people who don't care about others.
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