Trying to understand Catholic arguments for and against abortion

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

I believe that the right to self determination of what happens to my body cannot be legislated by any state. We fought a civil war over the idea that states can do anything they want within their borders if it violates personal liberties.

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic here who favors overturning Roe to remand these determinations back to the states. Has nothing to do with my religious views but rather my view of those things that are the domain of the federal government and those that are the domain of state governments.

The proper way to do something like Roe at the national level is a constitutional amendment like people did a hundred years ago for prohibition.

What a load of bullshit.

Why? This is a view that was widely held immediately post-Roe and during the decades since then.

No it’s not. This is a distraction point to undermine women’s healthcare.

It is not a distraction point. It goes to whether Roe has a solid constitutional underpinning or not and, if not, was the Supreme Court going beyond its remit of determining the constitutionality of a law by making policy instead.

You may not care about the separation of powers, but it is the bedrock of our government.

No, the question is whether we have a system that protects fundamental rights and especially the rights of minorities that have historically or currently suffered from discrimination. That’s the crucial test we are facing as a nation. This case is about fundamental rights, not about federalism or separation of powers.

Abortion is not a fundamental right.

I don't believe the pp is saying abortion is a fundamental right but rather the right to privacy. The Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether to have an abortion. The right to privacy corresponds well with Catholic social thought.

The fourteenth amendment says this: "No State shall... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Truly, it is debatable whether this language establishes a fundamental "right to privacy," a term which appears nowhere in the Constitution.

My right to bodily integrity is absolutely in that concept of life, liberty, and property. The consitution is racist, sexist toilet paper if the 14th does not protect a broad range of individual rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

I believe that the right to self determination of what happens to my body cannot be legislated by any state. We fought a civil war over the idea that states can do anything they want within their borders if it violates personal liberties.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

I believe that the right to self determination of what happens to my body cannot be legislated by any state. We fought a civil war over the idea that states can do anything they want within their borders if it violates personal liberties.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Catholics don’t really respect the body. They eat it as past of communion. Mary and Jesus both gave up their body. So I guess in turn they want to make up for all of this by saying all people must come into the world to have the ability to give up their life for God.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

I believe that the right to self determination of what happens to my body cannot be legislated by any state. We fought a civil war over the idea that states can do anything they want within their borders if it violates personal liberties.

You talk about the right to what happens to your body. You don have that right. The state did not get you pregnant. You used your right and became pregnant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catholics don’t really respect the body. They eat it as past of communion. Mary and Jesus both gave up their body. So I guess in turn they want to make up for all of this by saying all people must come into the world to have the ability to give up their life for God.

You don’t even know what you said.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

I believe that the right to self determination of what happens to my body cannot be legislated by any state. We fought a civil war over the idea that states can do anything they want within their borders if it violates personal liberties.

Exactly.

Doesn’t violate any personal freedoms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

My point was right on. If a woman in another state is forbidden or banned to make a choice for her body than of course I care about it. Not every women can afford to travel out of state. Do you not care about other people when they are suffering just because you are safe? The life of the woman is important. this is all about control of women's lives. Very much like the Taliban controlling women's lives. You don't think many of the supporters of the abortion ban would wish women could be controlled like the Taliban?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

My point was right on. If a woman in another state is forbidden or banned to make a choice for her body than of course I care about it. Not every women can afford to travel out of state. Do you not care about other people when they are suffering just because you are safe? The life of the woman is important. this is all about control of women's lives. Very much like the Taliban controlling women's lives. You don't think many of the supporters of the abortion ban would wish women could be controlled like the Taliban?

Why should your views about the laws of another state over-ride the views of voters in that state?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pro choice Catholics are making a political point: the U.S. government has no business telling citizens what to do with respect to their own health care, reproductive decisions, and bodies. Same argument if the government decided that religious circumcision was child abuse and started arresting mohels.

BTW, the "states right" argument is legally weak and utterly ridiculous.

What are you talking about? Our system was set up as a federal system for a reason. This is so the decisions of the government reflect the will of the citizens. It is the extreme overreach of the Supreme Court that has perverted this defining characteristic.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

My point was right on. If a woman in another state is forbidden or banned to make a choice for her body than of course I care about it. Not every women can afford to travel out of state. Do you not care about other people when they are suffering just because you are safe? The life of the woman is important. this is all about control of women's lives. Very much like the Taliban controlling women's lives. You don't think many of the supporters of the abortion ban would wish women could be controlled like the Taliban?

Why should your views about the laws of another state over-ride the views of voters in that state?

It isn't overriding anyone's views. Abortion is a private matter between a woman/family and their medical doctor. If you are against abortion, than choose not to have one but, forcing someone to continue their pregnancy is wrong. My cousin's baby was going to be born without a brain. It was more kind to have the abortion. What about rape? Or incest? Did those women choose to get pregnant?

How does someone having an abortion personally affect you? Who is going to take care of all those babies? And in some states the rapist father can try to gain visitation

https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/us/rapist-child-custody/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

My point was right on. If a woman in another state is forbidden or banned to make a choice for her body than of course I care about it. Not every women can afford to travel out of state. Do you not care about other people when they are suffering just because you are safe? The life of the woman is important. this is all about control of women's lives. Very much like the Taliban controlling women's lives. You don't think many of the supporters of the abortion ban would wish women could be controlled like the Taliban?

Why should your views about the laws of another state over-ride the views of voters in that state?

My view is that no state should violate personal freedoms. You can't own other people or take away their bodily autonomy. Universal & basic human rights.

Federal law should protect all people.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Alyssa Milano talk about moral theology/Christian ethics in this video? That is what we are talking about here.

np then you shouldn't have an abortion. but, MYOB for other women and their families

Again, read the title.

What is your point pp?

DP. Your comment is totally off topic and has nothing to do with moral theology.

But while we are at it, your "then you shouldn't have an abortion but MYOB for other women" could be restated back to you--"if your state allows abortion and you're happy about that, then MYOB about other states."

My point was right on. If a woman in another state is forbidden or banned to make a choice for her body than of course I care about it. Not every women can afford to travel out of state. Do you not care about other people when they are suffering just because you are safe? The life of the woman is important. this is all about control of women's lives. Very much like the Taliban controlling women's lives. You don't think many of the supporters of the abortion ban would wish women could be controlled like the Taliban?

Why should your views about the laws of another state over-ride the views of voters in that state?

My view is that no state should violate personal freedoms. You can't own other people or take away their bodily autonomy. Universal & basic human rights.

Federal law should protect all people.

No one is taking away body autonomy.