If you are a scientist who believes in life after death

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Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting for scientists to prove how 2 rocks banged together to start a life. Sugar and spice and all things nice, stirred in a pot? Lol! There is no scientist who can take rocks, sticks, dirt and start a life.

Science can better explain how it happened though than invent some invisible man in the sky

No religion believes there is an invisible man in the sky, and when you suggest so you reveal either that you are supremely ignorant of theological academia or not really interested in this whole discussion.

So you've seen god? and what about the the Nicene creed, in which Jesus ascends bodily into heaven?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting for scientists to prove how 2 rocks banged together to start a life. Sugar and spice and all things nice, stirred in a pot? Lol! There is no scientist who can take rocks, sticks, dirt and start a life.

Science can better explain how it happened though than invent some invisible man in the sky

No religion believes there is an invisible man in the sky, and when you suggest so you reveal either that you are supremely ignorant of theological academia or not really interested in this whole discussion.

Well I apologize. I thought we are created in God's image. So that means he looks like us (and we like him), usually depicted as a He (a man). And if he doesn't live in the sky where does he live? So rather than just casting aspersions, why don't you go ahead and tell us what "theological academia" believes about the nature of god that is different from an invisible man who lives in the sky??

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a scientist, but I consider myself agnostic or atheist. Really probably the latter. I do take solace in what someone else wrote above, and I have thought myself, that energy never dies. It is a constant. In that way, if a person has a "soul" it has touched many other people and things in this world. That vibration continues. The world is forever different because they lived. Now that they are dead, their soul does not exist, but its impact remains and reverberates forever -- more so if they really did a lot when they were alive, good or bad. One thing that living has taught me -- heaven and hell are on Earth, and it's pretty random which one you get to experience. Enjoy life and try to make things better for people stuck in hell. Also, luck changes and is random, so carpe diem.

Beautifully put.

It’s interesting that some find that philosophy beautiful. Personally as a (occasionally doubting but) overall religious person I find it tragic to imagine that there is no ultimate justice and that this is it.

o.k, it's tragic then. But this is a common theme: "I don't want to believe ______ ". So without a shred of evidence I'm just going to go ahead and believe what I want to believe because it makes me feel better.

That's why religion requires faith -- and why some people lose it. They just can't force themselves to have faith.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting for scientists to prove how 2 rocks banged together to start a life. Sugar and spice and all things nice, stirred in a pot? Lol! There is no scientist who can take rocks, sticks, dirt and start a life.

Science can better explain how it happened though than invent some invisible man in the sky

No religion believes there is an invisible man in the sky, and when you suggest so you reveal either that you are supremely ignorant of theological academia or not really interested in this whole discussion.

Correct. Some religions think the man is the sky is visible to believers and/or to people who have already died and gone to heaven where they have met him personally

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's funny is so many scientists believe in aliens. Let me know when you have one of the big eyed green creatures LOL

This is a lie.

Many people, scientists included, accept the mathematical probability that given the universe's incomprehensibly vast size, it is likely that there is other life somewhere in it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-aliens-are-in-the-milky-way-astronomers-turn-to-statistics-for-answers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

That is not the same as "believing in aliens". You people love your strawman arguments. No real scientist believes in things there is no evidence for.

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Anonymous wrote:What's funny is so many scientists believe in aliens. Let me know when you have one of the big eyed green creatures LOL

so many? Really? Name them. So I can look them up.

Look yourself. Not sure what rock you live under. Alien existence is widely accepted, seems to be more accepted on here than God. Look at old alien threads.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.

A lot of the NDE stories have been tentatively explained by neurologists who say the brain's sensory functions under stress can produce imagery that feels like tunnel vision and floating above one's body. Even seeing dead loved ones and feeling drawn to a bright light. Who knows.

My mother was in a car accident when she was 18 and had a NDE. She swears she floated above her body in the hospital room and heard the doctor telling her parents she was not likely to live. She says she knew she had a choice, and she chose to live -- although she says she did it only to stop her parents' pain. She says the alternative (dying) at the time seemed much better somehow. She knew she was giving up something wonderful to go back to living.

She isn't remotely religious, but she doesn't fear death. She says she knows it will be painless and "wonderful" in some way. But not in the sense of living another life as who she is now. More like becoming something new.

I think that goes to the conservation of energy model -- our "soul" is the energy that makes us alive. When we die, it leaves our body and dissipates, eventually becoming part of something else. So, in a sense, yes. There is life after death.

There was an interesting book a few years ago written by a neurologist studying NDEs, only he looks for those rare episodes when people are truly clinically dead and then are resuscitated. So people with zero brain activity. Rare, but apparently happens. And in some of the episodes of people having no brain activity they are able to recount specific conversations that happened in the room after their brain stopped, or they described things they only could have seen from above. So not the typical NDE tunnel and light. So this scientist has set up studies in trauma bays with images that can only be seen from above. It was an interesting book.

Nothing leaves our body at death. If it was true, neuroscientists would be able to detect it and they haven't. And if they haven't, you can't say any detectable energy, or soul, leaves our body. Anyone who says so is making this up.

Have you ever watched person take their last breath and see their eyes change? Life energy leaving a body is detectable.

Fine, you see something -- that doesn't mean it's the soul leaving the body.

Isn't that just rigor mortis dilating the pupils?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's funny is so many scientists believe in aliens. Let me know when you have one of the big eyed green creatures LOL

This is a lie.

Many people, scientists included, accept the mathematical probability that given the universe's incomprehensibly vast size, it is likely that there is other life somewhere in it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-aliens-are-in-the-milky-way-astronomers-turn-to-statistics-for-answers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

That is not the same as "believing in aliens". You people love your strawman arguments. No real scientist believes in things there is no evidence for.

Call it what you want - call it "other life" on other planets scientists are searching for. A.k.a. alien, unless it's a plant. But I don't think plants send messages to that dome listening for them.

[Anonymous]

Maybe you heard of. . Stephen Hawking? He believed in aliens. Tons of articles and interviews out there. Or would you argue he isn't very prominent in his field?

https://www.space.com/29999-stephen-hawking-intelligent-alien-life-danger.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's funny is so many scientists believe in aliens. Let me know when you have one of the big eyed green creatures LOL

This is a lie.

Many people, scientists included, accept the mathematical probability that given the universe's incomprehensibly vast size, it is likely that there is other life somewhere in it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-aliens-are-in-the-milky-way-astronomers-turn-to-statistics-for-answers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

That is not the same as "believing in aliens". You people love your strawman arguments. No real scientist believes in things there is no evidence for.

Call it what you want - call it "other life" on other planets scientists are searching for. A.k.a. alien, unless it's a plant. But I don't think plants send messages to that dome listening for them.

More strawman lies.

You didn't even have time to read the links posted.

You are a troll not interested in honest discourse, obviously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read a lot about near death experiences and people’s experiences around death. There’s a remarkable consistency in the stories. There’s so much to this world we don’t know, and I think it’s somewhat arrogant to assume what we can see, touch, feel, hear and taste comprise all of what exists in the universe. Dog’s hear things we can’t. Birds see things we can’t. We have this small life, we come and we go. I believe there’s something more than what we can understand and I’m open to learning as much as I can about it.

A lot of the NDE stories have been tentatively explained by neurologists who say the brain's sensory functions under stress can produce imagery that feels like tunnel vision and floating above one's body. Even seeing dead loved ones and feeling drawn to a bright light. Who knows.

My mother was in a car accident when she was 18 and had a NDE. She swears she floated above her body in the hospital room and heard the doctor telling her parents she was not likely to live. She says she knew she had a choice, and she chose to live -- although she says she did it only to stop her parents' pain. She says the alternative (dying) at the time seemed much better somehow. She knew she was giving up something wonderful to go back to living.

She isn't remotely religious, but she doesn't fear death. She says she knows it will be painless and "wonderful" in some way. But not in the sense of living another life as who she is now. More like becoming something new.

I think that goes to the conservation of energy model -- our "soul" is the energy that makes us alive. When we die, it leaves our body and dissipates, eventually becoming part of something else. So, in a sense, yes. There is life after death.

There was an interesting book a few years ago written by a neurologist studying NDEs, only he looks for those rare episodes when people are truly clinically dead and then are resuscitated. So people with zero brain activity. Rare, but apparently happens. And in some of the episodes of people having no brain activity they are able to recount specific conversations that happened in the room after their brain stopped, or they described things they only could have seen from above. So not the typical NDE tunnel and light. So this scientist has set up studies in trauma bays with images that can only be seen from above. It was an interesting book.

Nothing leaves our body at death. If it was true, neuroscientists would be able to detect it and they haven't. And if they haven't, you can't say any detectable energy, or soul, leaves our body. Anyone who says so is making this up.

Have you ever watched person take their last breath and see their eyes change? Life energy leaving a body is detectable.

Fine, you see something -- that doesn't mean it's the soul leaving the body.

Isn't that just rigor mortis dilating the pupils?

it's just the cessation of the neurons in the brain firing, not unlike an engine running out of gas that sputters.

[Anonymous]

maybe God was (is) an alien. What I do know is we don't have whole elaborate theologies built around aliens like the afterlife, and resurrection, and bishops with pointy hats and pass the collection plate and all that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's funny is so many scientists believe in aliens. Let me know when you have one of the big eyed green creatures LOL

so many? Really? Name them. So I can look them up.

Look yourself. Not sure what rock you live under. Alien existence is widely accepted, seems to be more accepted on here than God. Look at old alien threads.

DP - sorry - you make the claim; you show that it's accurate. otherwise, it's just hearsay.



PS - Trump, who is a space alien, won the election. Prove me wrong. /S

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's funny is so many scientists believe in aliens. Let me know when you have one of the big eyed green creatures LOL

so many? Really? Name them. So I can look them up.

Look yourself. Not sure what rock you live under. Alien existence is widely accepted, seems to be more accepted on here than God. Look at old alien threads.

DP - sorry - you make the claim; you show that it's accurate. otherwise, it's just hearsay.



PS - Trump, who is a space alien, won the election. Prove me wrong. /S

well, that one could be true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe you heard of. . Stephen Hawking? He believed in aliens. Tons of articles and interviews out there. Or would you argue he isn't very prominent in his field?

https://www.space.com/29999-stephen-hawking-intelligent-alien-life-danger.html

Hawking said he wanted to look for aliens. It doesn't say he believed in aliens. That's what science does, as opposed to merely accepting revealed wisdom like religion.