Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote: Don’t forget that Blake also demanded that wardrobe come to here as opposed to traveling the few blocks there herself. Also early, unnecessary, and a budget buster. Whatever Queen B wants, she gets.

And Harrison Ford slammed her acting in Age of Adeline and said this is why you don't hire TV actresses for films. Her idea of herself is much bigger than her talent.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

I thought the power differential that existed because Baldoni was Lively’s director is how he got Lively to be mostly nude from the waist down (except the briefs or nudity strip) during the birth scene when she hadn’t wanted that? And how he introduced kissing in the dance scene though it wasn’t scripted, since he was the director? And how he got Ferrer to simulate orgasm during the sex scene she filmed during the strike, though that wasn’t scripted, but he was the director?

I do think Baldoni had power over Lively as her director, especially when the movie first started. But I think Sony as distributor had power over Baldoni, and that as they defended Lively more, Baldoni perhaps lost some power (we, when he needed to sign the 17 point list or she would walk). And after that switch happened, the harassment also seemed to stop (though the smear started), so I draw my own conclusions from that too.

Blake having the power to alter wardrobe and make script changes and Ryan screaming at Justin happened at the start of the production.

Lively having power to do costumes with the wardrobe person was a power Baldoni gave her but didn’t have to. It was a power he had and gave away (in part to appease her and Sony).

Not sure what Baldoni’s lack of power over Reynolds has to do with his inherent power over Lively as her director. Isn’t this sort of like Brad Pitt taking Harvey Weinstein aside and telling him not to mess with Gwyneth Paltrow? Weinstein was still clearly a harasser.

So when Blake asks Justin to do something he doesn't want to do, it's "well, he didn't have to." But when Justin asks Blake to do something mild that she doesn't want to do, it's "he's a harasser." Got it. Rules for thee, but not for me, as per usual according to BL supporters.

Lady, he was the male director of the film trying to get the leading lady to be more naked in a scene than she wanted for a scene that was not written to have *any* nudity, actually. That’s pretty harass-y, as compared to having clothes delivered to her house. See the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

The other gaping issue is that no one else has come forward to claim harassment by Baldoni. It is hard for me to believe Baldoni, without any history of this sort of thing, all of a sudden started with a very powerful woman who is married to one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, and one who immediately laid down his power by asking Baldoni to shift production to accommodate his Deadpool shoot.

The dynamics simply don’t add up.

Exactly. This is going to be so messy for her

I thought there was some corroboration in Lively’s amended complaint? I guess chances are good that we shall see, since zero of Lively’s claims have been dismissed, unlike all of Baldoni’s.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

I thought the power differential that existed because Baldoni was Lively’s director is how he got Lively to be mostly nude from the waist down (except the briefs or nudity strip) during the birth scene when she hadn’t wanted that? And how he introduced kissing in the dance scene though it wasn’t scripted, since he was the director? And how he got Ferrer to simulate orgasm during the sex scene she filmed during the strike, though that wasn’t scripted, but he was the director?

I do think Baldoni had power over Lively as her director, especially when the movie first started. But I think Sony as distributor had power over Baldoni, and that as they defended Lively more, Baldoni perhaps lost some power (we, when he needed to sign the 17 point list or she would walk). And after that switch happened, the harassment also seemed to stop (though the smear started), so I draw my own conclusions from that too.

Blake having the power to alter wardrobe and make script changes and Ryan screaming at Justin happened at the start of the production.

Lively having power to do costumes with the wardrobe person was a power Baldoni gave her but didn’t have to. It was a power he had and gave away (in part to appease her and Sony).

Not sure what Baldoni’s lack of power over Reynolds has to do with his inherent power over Lively as her director. Isn’t this sort of like Brad Pitt taking Harvey Weinstein aside and telling him not to mess with Gwyneth Paltrow? Weinstein was still clearly a harasser.

Did Brad Pitt call Weinstein to his penthouse and start screaming at him? Justin Baldoni is as powerful as Harvey Weinstein now, I guess.

I’m not really sure what your point is here. I wasn’t trying to say the power dynamics between the trios mentioned were exactly the same, just that the male boyfriends/husbands had more power in the business than the women and if they stepped in to run interference that doesn’t mean the women could not have been harassed — that’s exactly why they were trying to step in.

I don’t mean to say Baldoni was Weinstein, just explaining another trio where the boyfriend stepped in since that situation seemed unknown to you for some reason. 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

I thought the power differential that existed because Baldoni was Lively’s director is how he got Lively to be mostly nude from the waist down (except the briefs or nudity strip) during the birth scene when she hadn’t wanted that? And how he introduced kissing in the dance scene though it wasn’t scripted, since he was the director? And how he got Ferrer to simulate orgasm during the sex scene she filmed during the strike, though that wasn’t scripted, but he was the director?

I do think Baldoni had power over Lively as her director, especially when the movie first started. But I think Sony as distributor had power over Baldoni, and that as they defended Lively more, Baldoni perhaps lost some power (we, when he needed to sign the 17 point list or she would walk). And after that switch happened, the harassment also seemed to stop (though the smear started), so I draw my own conclusions from that too.

Blake having the power to alter wardrobe and make script changes and Ryan screaming at Justin happened at the start of the production.

Lively having power to do costumes with the wardrobe person was a power Baldoni gave her but didn’t have to. It was a power he had and gave away (in part to appease her and Sony).

Not sure what Baldoni’s lack of power over Reynolds has to do with his inherent power over Lively as her director. Isn’t this sort of like Brad Pitt taking Harvey Weinstein aside and telling him not to mess with Gwyneth Paltrow? Weinstein was still clearly a harasser.

So when Blake asks Justin to do something he doesn't want to do, it's "well, he didn't have to." But when Justin asks Blake to do something mild that she doesn't want to do, it's "he's a harasser." Got it. Rules for thee, but not for me, as per usual according to BL supporters.

Lady, he was the male director of the film trying to get the leading lady to be more naked in a scene than she wanted for a scene that was not written to have *any* nudity, actually. That’s pretty harass-y, as compared to having clothes delivered to her house. See the difference?

This is one of the more stupid allegations. Ulimately, Blake was fully dressed in this scene, wearing a pregnancy suit, briefs and a nightgown. So guess the person with the power prevailed again.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

The other gaping issue is that no one else has come forward to claim harassment by Baldoni. It is hard for me to believe Baldoni, without any history of this sort of thing, all of a sudden started with a very powerful woman who is married to one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, and one who immediately laid down his power by asking Baldoni to shift production to accommodate his Deadpool shoot.

The dynamics simply don’t add up.

Exactly. This is going to be so messy for her

I thought there was some corroboration in Lively’s amended complaint? I guess chances are good that we shall see, since zero of Lively’s claims have been dismissed, unlike all of Baldoni’s.

That’s actually not correct, her claims of intentional emotional distress were dismissed with prejudice because she refused to provide evidence to support them.

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Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it, the more I'm getting worried for JB over the retaliation claim, and like people here have been saying forever, I get that's why BL's lawyers want to focus on it. I genuinely think most of the negative press toward Blake was organic, and I'm not pro-BL, but I think it's worrisome if they can find even a handful of posts disparaging her that they can trace back to JB.

I don't think he hired Nathan because she spoke up against sexual harassment, I think he hired Nathan because Blake was running to the press first (see that Daily Mail article in early August about him being a chaunivist) and he needed to protect himself and the company. But I just don't see a jury making a distinction between "retaliating" against SH and "retaliating" to protect himself. Her lawyers are going to get them to ask: Did JB launch any counterattack on her for whatever reason? I don't think the jury is going to believe her on the SH claims, but I think BL's lawyers are going to try their hardest to make the argument that retaliation is their focus, SH is subjective and so don't focus on that, etc.

I think Baldoni is going to have a hard time explaining why he was paying Wallace $90K to just keep track of socials and not affirmatively add commentary to the conversations when keeping track of socials is specifically work that his other 2 PR firms were getting paid $30K/month and $15K/month to do as per their written contracts.

Unless Wallace was promoting positive commentary about Justin. There is actually a fair amount he could be doing that wouldn’t involve Lively at all. Same for all the pr folks, positive stories about their clients is their business.

Agree that if Wayfarer/TAG/Wallace can show that they were just promoting positive stories about Justin and Wayfarer and staying neutral on Blake, they will beat the retaliation claims.

There are a few messages from the Jen Abel phone that indicate they did go after Blake though, including with Wallace's team, and that some of what they did was seeding negative stories online. There could be some explanations for those messages that are exculpating -- maybe they wanted to go after Blake but didn't because cooler head prevailed, or because they discovered they didn't need to. It's also possible that TAG or Wallace essentially lied to Wayfarer about what they were doing, that they said said they would see negative stories about Blake and then those popped up on their own without any effort, so TAG and Wallace claimed to have caused it (in order to justify their large fees).

One legal question I have is what if the facts show that Baldoni and Wayfarer absolutely wanted to go after Blake and hired TAG and Wallace specifically to spread negative content about her online, but then they didn't? Would Baldoni/Wayfarer still potentially be liable for trying to retaliate? Would just hiring these people and giving them the directive to trash Blake in the press be enough for a jury to find them guilty of retaliation? I truly have no idea.

The cause of action requires actual acts of retaliation. I thought about it, but didn’t actually do it isn’t enough.

I think the question would be if hiring someone itself counts as a retaliatory act. Hiring is easily distinguished from "thinking about" retaliation, so your straw man fails. That said, I don't know if you framed it as paying for a bad act that didn't occur if that would be sufficient or not (on the other hand, you might be able to frame it more favorably as paying to ensure negative stories came out; it might depend on the contract wording).

She is going to need to show the hiring was retaliation to her claims of sexual harassment and not due to her threats and efforts to freeze him out of the movie. He has a right to seek help when being defamed. And yes, he can still use her behavior as a defense even if he can’t collect damages on it as a cause of action.

He wasn't defamed.

You keep framing everything in the best possible way for Baldoni, and I understand it because I do the same with Lively. That's what lawyers do. But recognize that not everyone has drunk the Baldoni Kool Aid, and regular people may not be so eager to share your take on who is the good guy here. I will grant that Baldoni's got a shot though because of the old adage, someone famous said this I think, I can't quite remember who: "It's actually sad because it just shows you have people really want to hate on women."

I understand that you don’t think that, but much of the social media universe does. If a jury feels the same, she loses. It’s perfectly legal to hire a pr firm when some one has launched an all out war on you.

Baldoni paid Jed Wallace $30K per month -- minimum of three months "as it needs to seed" for the purpose of "creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to change [the] narrative and stay on track."

That makes Jed Wallace look like a liar for the info he included in his declaration saying he didn't interact with anyone, and I sure don't think a jury will like that at all. This contract makes it clear that someone was certainly interacting with people on social media to change the story, so between this and the other conversations between Abel and Nathan it sure sounds like a smear. Who knows what else will come out?

NAG with a video about Jed Wallace, putting his affidavit up against those parts of the email that seem to contradict his email, noting the possibility that he hired subcontractors, and questioning whether he would really get paid $90K over 3 months to just monitor socials: https://www.tiktok.com/@notactuallygolden/video/7518047871824858382

NAG followed up on this video that she posted about how Jed Wallace may seemingly have lied in his declaration here: https://www.tiktok.com/@notactuallygolden/video/7518458313420311822

Commentary on Jed Wallace starts at about the 2 minute mark.

Noting that the comments she has received to this video on youtube by Baldoni supporters are off the charts wild and she posted back some "nastygrams" to those people.

I don’t find her compelling on this point. $30,000/mth is just not much money for pr.

$30K per month to Wallace to be (as his declaration suggests) the single Street Relations person just "monitoring socials" which was work that both of Baldoni's PR companies was already being paid $45/month to do ($15K to Abel and $30K to Jones) will seem rather excessive to most normal people fwiw.

Let me rephrase, to Livwly supporters who either aren’t familiar with the industry or just looking for their next talking point.

Got it, it's totes normal for a B list celebrity to be paying $75K/month for PR assistance that doesn't include any active interference and engagement (or smearing!!! definitely no smearing!!!) but just "monitoring" of media like socials and press. Yup.

(FYI for normal people, across 12 months that would translate into nearly a million dollars per year at $900K.)

I see the purposelessly misleading pro Lively folks are back to working weekends, and scouring the world for anti Wayfarer Baldoni talking points to throw around.

I had to look into crisis PR (no ‘smear’) for my fairly small company and it was about 70k a month. Obviously it’s rare to need crisis PR for an entire year so your 900k reference seems purposefully irrelevant.

And this was some years back, and a small company. baldoni’s was PR related to a film that had cost some people a bunch of money. That number is not weird at all, and doesn’t indicate there was a smear campaign.

Stop being so shameless.

What small company needs 70k/mo in crisis pr? That's absurd. Unless your "small company" is a hedge fund that is accused of stealing client money, I don't buy it.

The company was well under 750 people so yes, small in the corporate world. And companies often hire crisis PR for brand reputations issues, and it’s expensive. It’s also short term so when I looked into it, we were looking at 6 months or less. Really not that much overall. You’re acting like some random person off the street hired PR for 70k a month. No, it was a decent sized film with a healthy budget and they wanted to safeguard their investment. This is not ‘totes’ abnormal behavior as you put it in such a juvenile way.

I think you are confusing me with someone else. I'm the immediate PP but I don't use phrases like "totes".

I work in the corporate world (in consulting) and 70k/mo in crisis PR is a lot and indicates a major issue. If that's just for crisis PR, we're talking on top of normal PR budget for branding, press relations, etc., which can also be expensive but is a typical overhead cost. 70k/mo for 6 months would be the equivalent of 3 or more full time assistants, for instance -- not a minor expense. And for something unexpected and not previously budgeted for.

Lol oh right, now you’re a corporate consultant and you’re involved in crisis PR. got it. I thought you were a litigator?

Look, you don’t know what you’re talking about other than googling stuff and then trying to make things sound legit. 70k a month for a short period of crisis PR is not unusual for a company, or in this case to protect a film franchise that investors had spent millions on. You’re obsessed with your narrative and attempts to spin.

If you think people across various media don’t see all of this fake posting, and feel even more disdain for Blake than they did before, you’re mistaken.

DP to who you are responding to, but lady, you would be less constantly confused and angry if you would stop insisting in your own head that there is exactly one Lively supporter in this thread posing as different people, and accept, as we do, that there are multiple people coming in and out of the thread arguing with us. Chill tf out.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

The other gaping issue is that no one else has come forward to claim harassment by Baldoni. It is hard for me to believe Baldoni, without any history of this sort of thing, all of a sudden started with a very powerful woman who is married to one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, and one who immediately laid down his power by asking Baldoni to shift production to accommodate his Deadpool shoot.

The dynamics simply don’t add up.

Exactly. This is going to be so messy for her

I thought there was some corroboration in Lively’s amended complaint? I guess chances are good that we shall see, since zero of Lively’s claims have been dismissed, unlike all of Baldoni’s.

That’s actually not correct, her claims of intentional emotional distress were dismissed with prejudice because she refused to provide evidence to support them.

Right, they were voluntarily dismissed by agreement because Lively didn’t want to give the people smearing her access to her medical records. The claims weren’t dismissed due to Freedman challenging their legal sufficiency. The only thing Freedman moved for there was to compel the production of those medical records — he didn’t move to dismiss the claims. What he really really wanted was the medical records.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

I thought the power differential that existed because Baldoni was Lively’s director is how he got Lively to be mostly nude from the waist down (except the briefs or nudity strip) during the birth scene when she hadn’t wanted that? And how he introduced kissing in the dance scene though it wasn’t scripted, since he was the director? And how he got Ferrer to simulate orgasm during the sex scene she filmed during the strike, though that wasn’t scripted, but he was the director?

I do think Baldoni had power over Lively as her director, especially when the movie first started. But I think Sony as distributor had power over Baldoni, and that as they defended Lively more, Baldoni perhaps lost some power (we, when he needed to sign the 17 point list or she would walk). And after that switch happened, the harassment also seemed to stop (though the smear started), so I draw my own conclusions from that too.

Blake having the power to alter wardrobe and make script changes and Ryan screaming at Justin happened at the start of the production.

Lively having power to do costumes with the wardrobe person was a power Baldoni gave her but didn’t have to. It was a power he had and gave away (in part to appease her and Sony).

Not sure what Baldoni’s lack of power over Reynolds has to do with his inherent power over Lively as her director. Isn’t this sort of like Brad Pitt taking Harvey Weinstein aside and telling him not to mess with Gwyneth Paltrow? Weinstein was still clearly a harasser.

So when Blake asks Justin to do something he doesn't want to do, it's "well, he didn't have to." But when Justin asks Blake to do something mild that she doesn't want to do, it's "he's a harasser." Got it. Rules for thee, but not for me, as per usual according to BL supporters.

Lady, he was the male director of the film trying to get the leading lady to be more naked in a scene than she wanted for a scene that was not written to have *any* nudity, actually. That’s pretty harass-y, as compared to having clothes delivered to her house. See the difference?

This is one of the more stupid allegations. Ulimately, Blake was fully dressed in this scene, wearing a pregnancy suit, briefs and a nightgown. So guess the person with the power prevailed again.

The hospital robe didn’t cover anything below her waist. She was certainly not fully dressed, not sure if you have seen the scene. Her leg and hips appeared to be nude. There may have been a panty brief side in there but it was hard to tell because of some medical equipment.
I would not call her “fully dressed” and note that the scene was shot with Baldoni’s friends head and hands all up in the area where she had the fewest clothes.

Baldoni, inscrutinly, also wanted her to be topless like all “normal women” give birth. 🤮

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

The other gaping issue is that no one else has come forward to claim harassment by Baldoni. It is hard for me to believe Baldoni, without any history of this sort of thing, all of a sudden started with a very powerful woman who is married to one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, and one who immediately laid down his power by asking Baldoni to shift production to accommodate his Deadpool shoot.

The dynamics simply don’t add up.

Exactly. This is going to be so messy for her

I thought there was some corroboration in Lively’s amended complaint? I guess chances are good that we shall see, since zero of Lively’s claims have been dismissed, unlike all of Baldoni’s.

That’s actually not correct, her claims of intentional emotional distress were dismissed with prejudice because she refused to provide evidence to support them.

Right, they were voluntarily dismissed by agreement because Lively didn’t want to give the people smearing her access to her medical records. The claims weren’t dismissed due to Freedman challenging their legal sufficiency. The only thing Freedman moved for there was to compel the production of those medical records — he didn’t move to dismiss the claims. What he really really wanted was the medical records.

Regardless, the claims are gone from her complaint because they were dismissed with prejudice. The judge made clear that as going to happen if she continued to refuse to provide supporting evidence for those claims.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

I thought the power differential that existed because Baldoni was Lively’s director is how he got Lively to be mostly nude from the waist down (except the briefs or nudity strip) during the birth scene when she hadn’t wanted that? And how he introduced kissing in the dance scene though it wasn’t scripted, since he was the director? And how he got Ferrer to simulate orgasm during the sex scene she filmed during the strike, though that wasn’t scripted, but he was the director?

I do think Baldoni had power over Lively as her director, especially when the movie first started. But I think Sony as distributor had power over Baldoni, and that as they defended Lively more, Baldoni perhaps lost some power (we, when he needed to sign the 17 point list or she would walk). And after that switch happened, the harassment also seemed to stop (though the smear started), so I draw my own conclusions from that too.

Blake having the power to alter wardrobe and make script changes and Ryan screaming at Justin happened at the start of the production.

Lively having power to do costumes with the wardrobe person was a power Baldoni gave her but didn’t have to. It was a power he had and gave away (in part to appease her and Sony).

Not sure what Baldoni’s lack of power over Reynolds has to do with his inherent power over Lively as her director. Isn’t this sort of like Brad Pitt taking Harvey Weinstein aside and telling him not to mess with Gwyneth Paltrow? Weinstein was still clearly a harasser.

So when Blake asks Justin to do something he doesn't want to do, it's "well, he didn't have to." But when Justin asks Blake to do something mild that she doesn't want to do, it's "he's a harasser." Got it. Rules for thee, but not for me, as per usual according to BL supporters.

Lady, he was the male director of the film trying to get the leading lady to be more naked in a scene than she wanted for a scene that was not written to have *any* nudity, actually. That’s pretty harass-y, as compared to having clothes delivered to her house. See the difference?

This is one of the more stupid allegations. Ulimately, Blake was fully dressed in this scene, wearing a pregnancy suit, briefs and a nightgown. So guess the person with the power prevailed again.

The hospital robe didn’t cover anything below her waist. She was certainly not fully dressed, not sure if you have seen the scene. Her leg and hips appeared to be nude. There may have been a panty brief side in there but it was hard to tell because of some medical equipment.
I would not call her “fully dressed” and note that the scene was shot with Baldoni’s friends head and hands all up in the area where she had the fewest clothes.

Baldoni, inscrutinly, also wanted her to be topless like all “normal women” give birth. 🤮

And yet she was not topless. You can’t seem to be able to acknowledge that.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

Looking at everyone’s responses to this, I don’t really believe it was a sincere question, but was really just a circular argument posing as a question. “Blake was not powerless and received some concessions from Baldoni and therefore she couldn’t have been harassed, so really only powerless women should be believed” or some nonsense like that.

No. You’ve made your mind up not to believe Lively and that’s your choice, but maybe stop pretending you’re the side that is truly fighting for women here. You’re on the side that’s opposed to 15+ women’s rights orgs, and the side of the guy that filed a meritless defamation suit against the woman who accused him of harassment. That’s the side you chose here.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

I thought the power differential that existed because Baldoni was Lively’s director is how he got Lively to be mostly nude from the waist down (except the briefs or nudity strip) during the birth scene when she hadn’t wanted that? And how he introduced kissing in the dance scene though it wasn’t scripted, since he was the director? And how he got Ferrer to simulate orgasm during the sex scene she filmed during the strike, though that wasn’t scripted, but he was the director?

I do think Baldoni had power over Lively as her director, especially when the movie first started. But I think Sony as distributor had power over Baldoni, and that as they defended Lively more, Baldoni perhaps lost some power (we, when he needed to sign the 17 point list or she would walk). And after that switch happened, the harassment also seemed to stop (though the smear started), so I draw my own conclusions from that too.

Blake having the power to alter wardrobe and make script changes and Ryan screaming at Justin happened at the start of the production.

Lively having power to do costumes with the wardrobe person was a power Baldoni gave her but didn’t have to. It was a power he had and gave away (in part to appease her and Sony).

Not sure what Baldoni’s lack of power over Reynolds has to do with his inherent power over Lively as her director. Isn’t this sort of like Brad Pitt taking Harvey Weinstein aside and telling him not to mess with Gwyneth Paltrow? Weinstein was still clearly a harasser.

So when Blake asks Justin to do something he doesn't want to do, it's "well, he didn't have to." But when Justin asks Blake to do something mild that she doesn't want to do, it's "he's a harasser." Got it. Rules for thee, but not for me, as per usual according to BL supporters.

Lady, he was the male director of the film trying to get the leading lady to be more naked in a scene than she wanted for a scene that was not written to have *any* nudity, actually. That’s pretty harass-y, as compared to having clothes delivered to her house. See the difference?

This is one of the more stupid allegations. Ulimately, Blake was fully dressed in this scene, wearing a pregnancy suit, briefs and a nightgown. So guess the person with the power prevailed again.

The hospital robe didn’t cover anything below her waist. She was certainly not fully dressed, not sure if you have seen the scene. Her leg and hips appeared to be nude. There may have been a panty brief side in there but it was hard to tell because of some medical equipment.
I would not call her “fully dressed” and note that the scene was shot with Baldoni’s friends head and hands all up in the area where she had the fewest clothes.

Baldoni, inscrutinly, also wanted her to be topless like all “normal women” give birth. 🤮

And yet she was not topless. You can’t seem to be able to acknowledge that.

Here is me acknowledging that she was not topless, even though Baldoni really wanted her to be.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

Looking at everyone’s responses to this, I don’t really believe it was a sincere question, but was really just a circular argument posing as a question. “Blake was not powerless and received some concessions from Baldoni and therefore she couldn’t have been harassed, so really only powerless women should be believed” or some nonsense like that.

No. You’ve made your mind up not to believe Lively and that’s your choice, but maybe stop pretending you’re the side that is truly fighting for women here. You’re on the side that’s opposed to 15+ women’s rights orgs, and the side of the guy that filed a meritless defamation suit against the woman who accused him of harassment. That’s the side you chose here.

I’m on the side of Taylor Swift, who cares far more about helping others than Blake ever has or will.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the arguments that Blake supporters put forth in defense of Blake Lively implicitly suggest that sexual harassment isn't worthy of academic study. Like is it worth studying who's likely to be a perpetrator? The circumstances that can lead to sexual harassment?

BL supporters love to argue over the minutiae of the case, but the big picture themes for me that cast huge doubt on Blake's claims are that she had the power to alter production (wardrobe changes, final cut, etc. ), some of the alleged sexual harassment occurred on Blake's domain at her request (e.g. her asking Heath to come to her trailer and asking him to turn around), and Blake and Ryan felt emboldened enough to scream at him and ask him to release a statement taking the fall for everything back in August.

I was under the impression that there's typically a power differential. The "even powerful woman can be sexually harassed" is something that I think is absolutely true, but that typically occurs when they're in a situation with someone even more powerful than them. But if anyone can be sexually harassed anywhere, and a woman's word is the only thing that counts, then you're kinda saying these questions don't matter.

Looking at everyone’s responses to this, I don’t really believe it was a sincere question, but was really just a circular argument posing as a question. “Blake was not powerless and received some concessions from Baldoni and therefore she couldn’t have been harassed, so really only powerless women should be believed” or some nonsense like that.

No. You’ve made your mind up not to believe Lively and that’s your choice, but maybe stop pretending you’re the side that is truly fighting for women here. You’re on the side that’s opposed to 15+ women’s rights orgs, and the side of the guy that filed a meritless defamation suit against the woman who accused him of harassment. That’s the side you chose here.

I’m on the side of Taylor Swift, who cares far more about helping others than Blake ever has or will.

If true, then you see that even the very powerful Taylor Swift can be sexually harassed by the dumb DJ who felt her butt, even though Swift is loads more powerful than him in the industry. It was all caught on camera, so I guess it’s easier to believe a powerful woman then.

Lively was also not without power. She demanded that the harassment stop or she would leave the film. She demanded [what? I don’t remember] or she wouldn’t promote it. Baldoni could have said fine, I won’t give you these things, go fish. The fact that he didn’t doesn’t mean he didn’t have any power and didn’t harass Lively. He seems to have kept choosing the path of least resistance to try to get out of his original mistakes. That doesn’t mean he’s didn’t harass or smear her.