What moment does your “time card” trigger?

[Anonymous]

Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

[Anonymous]

When they record the data, so whenever you first swipe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

Or teachers or nurses or many other professionals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

Or teachers or nurses or many other professionals.

Not a single teacher is forced to work a precise number of hours every day or “clock in.” And let me know when Feds start getting 3 months off every summer.

[Anonymous]

Get over it OP. Set alarm and get to work on time. Have a routine. If things hard for you I’m sure it’s showing up in the way you work and having an impact on the organization. No one looks at your time logs until you are a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When they record the data, so whenever you first swipe.

Cool — so I can go chill out for 15 minutes in the lobby and wait till exactly 4:00 and exit the turnstile. I guess that 15 minutes counts.

What a bunch of bs kabuki theater.

[Anonymous]

Turnstile to enter your building is where they measure time in/time out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When they record the data, so whenever you first swipe.

Cool — so I can go chill out for 15 minutes in the lobby and wait till exactly 4:00 and exit the turnstile. I guess that 15 minutes counts.

What a bunch of bs kabuki theater.

Or you could, you know, work a full day and then go home. Do you have any idea how you sound? This whining makes Feds look terrible. Less flexibility these days, but it’s not like the private sector, where you’re on all the time, working weekends and vacations. Maybe you should consider moving and see what it’s like.

[Anonymous]

There’s caselaw on this. It starts when you get to your desk, unless you work in a specific setting like a prison where you’re responsible for monitoring inmates on the way to your post or a laboratory where you have to put on PPE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

Or teachers or nurses or many other professionals.

Not a single teacher is forced to work a precise number of hours every day or “clock in.” And let me know when Feds start getting 3 months off every summer.

Bless your heart.

[Anonymous]

I always assumed first badge swipe in and last badge swipe out. For me this is a door in the parking garage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always assumed first badge swipe in and last badge swipe out. For me this is a door in the parking garage.

This is accurate. And no one cares until they care. Don’t make anyone care, and try to maintain your schedule. Unless it’s really really egregious, like skipping out an hour or two early every day, it’s unlikely to be a problem. When arriving 15 minutes late and leaving 45 minutes early becomes a months long pattern, it’s a problem. That’s not normal, that’s someone who is not working full time. Take leave as needed, most people have lots of it, or ask for different hours. Just don’t lie on your time card. Unlike the private sector, it’s a federal crime and triggers a whole cascade of issues for the employee, the unit, and the overall agency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always assumed first badge swipe in and last badge swipe out. For me this is a door in the parking garage.

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We only swipe once to enter our building. No swipe on our way out or for the garage. In theory, someone could badge in and turn around and walk out the next second.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always assumed first badge swipe in and last badge swipe out. For me this is a door in the parking garage.

We badge in and out of garage, but I always assumed it was the security turnstile was the swipe that counts. Any one know for sure?

[Anonymous]

This is always the case before covid why are people surprised