Hitler part 2?

[Anonymous]

"historians have argued that Hitler did not corral the Germans as much as the Germans elevated Hitler. But one curator said the message was arguably more vital for Germany now than at any time in the past six decades, as rising nationalism, more open hostility to immigrants and a generational disconnect from the events of the Nazi era have older Germans concerned about repeating the past. ...

Increasingly, Germans have put the guilt of the past behind them, reasserting their pride in national identity in many positive ways. But there also have been troubling signs seeping from the margins into the mainstream.

A best-selling book by a former banker promoted genetic theories of intelligence and said that Muslims were “dumbing down” society. A leading politician condemned “alien cultures.” A new right-wing party recently attracted hundreds to a speech by the far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders.

Even government officials say that immigrant children are picking on native Germans. The media is filled daily with reports of conflict between immigrants, especially Muslims, and Germans. ...

As he walked through the exhibit on Friday, Eric Pignolet, a Belgian who has lived in Berlin for 22 years, said he was pleased that Germans were no longer saying, “I didn’t know.” But he said he was troubled by parallels between then and now.

“I think if you had someone like him today, it could be very dangerous,” he said halfway through his walk through the displays about Hitler. “There are a lot of people out there who want jobs, who are not happy with the political leadership, who would vote for someone like him if he came along.” ...

“This exhibition is about Hitler and the Germans — meaning the social and political and individual processes by which much of the German people became enablers, colluders, co-criminals in the Holocaust,” said Constanze Stelzenmüller, a senior trans-Atlantic fellow with the German Marshall Fund of the United States in Berlin. “That this was so is now a mainstream view, rejected only by a small minority of very elderly and deluded people, or the German extreme right-wing fringe. But it took us a while to get there.” ...

The exhibit explains the early appeal of the Nazis, who demonstrated a keen appreciation for the politics of populism’s creating a sense of unity and purpose: “Attending popular sports events, film premiers, they dedicated autobahns and new industrial builds,” read a display. ...

But over and over, the point was spelled out clearly in the exhibit’s plaques like one, near letters written by children who were sent off to concentration camps, that said: “Hitler was able to implement his military and extermination objectives because the military and economic elites were willing to carry out his war.”

The exhibit, with all its photographs of young and old adoring Hitler, also sought to dispel the notion that the Nazi spirit was simply impossible to resist. ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/16/world/europe/16hitler.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=world

That and this...

"Multiculturalism in Germany has "absolutely failed," German Chancellor Angela Merkel told her party's youth wing at a conference Saturday.

"The approach of saying, 'Well, let's just go for a multicultural society, let's coexist and enjoy each other,' this very approach has failed, absolutely failed," she said in a speech.

"We've all understood now that immigrants are a part of our country, (but) they have to speak our language, they have receive an education here," Merkel told CNN's "Connect the World" program September 27.

Germany's population is about 5 percent Muslim, the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life estimated last year. Its roughly 4 million Muslims make up the largest Muslim population in western Europe."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/10/17/germany.merkel.multiculturalism/index.html

[Anonymous]

I agree, I thought the headline about Merkel was very shocking.

I think you'd have to be a pretty brave minority to live in Germany. I wouldn't feel secure there.

[Anonymous]

Oh no, here we go again!

Conservative leaders are all Hitker in training.

Are liberal leaders all Stalion in training?

[Anonymous]

Not as brave as that minority would have to be to stay in the contries from which most of them came!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not as brave as that minority would have to be to stay in the contries from which most of them came!

Where exactly do you imagine they came from? Here is the reality. The largest groups came from Turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Yugoslavia, Poland. The single largest group is the Turks. Hardly a scary place to live.

[Anonymous]

Hmm...sounds similar to some of the sentiments in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not as brave as that minority would have to be to stay in the contries from which most of them came!

Where exactly do you imagine they came from? Here is the reality. The largest groups came from Turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Yugoslavia, Poland. The single largest group is the Turks. Hardly a scary place to live.

It is if you are Armenian. But, I digress.

There are also a fair number of African Nationals in the lager German cities. They are fleeing persecution. As are the Slavs. You know who the Germans like:

Austrians.

That's right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not as brave as that minority would have to be to stay in the contries from which most of them came!

Where exactly do you imagine they came from? Here is the reality. The largest groups came from Turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Yugoslavia, Poland. The single largest group is the Turks. Hardly a scary place to live.

It is if you are Armenian. But, I digress.

There are also a fair number of African Nationals in the lager German cities. They are fleeing persecution. As are the Slavs. You know who the Germans like:

Austrians.

That's right.

You do digress. You made it sound like these millions of workers are political refugees. Now you are down to "a fair number" which is a percent at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no, here we go again!

Conservative leaders are all Hitker in training.

Are liberal leaders all Stalion in training?

Hitler was a socialist. He was not what we Americans would consider a conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh no, here we go again!

Conservative leaders are all Hitker in training.

Are liberal leaders all Stalion in training?

Hitler was a socialist. He was not what we Americans would consider a conservative.

Well, he's certainly not what we Americans would call a liberal, either.

[Anonymous]

so much ignorance!
Germany has 82 million people, 19 million are foreign born.
Go see the place yourself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:so much ignorance!
Germany has 82 million people, 19 million are foreign born.
Go see the place yourself

Who claimed that they don't have a lot of foreign born people living there? That is in fact the subject of the article. I think you are misreading something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:so much ignorance!
Germany has 82 million people, 19 million are foreign born.
Go see the place yourself

But how many are not German--not talking about those who are German because they were born there or became German citizens?

[Anonymous]

Why are you confusing WW2 with this?

Minorities in Germany do better than minorities here. Even the city slum areas provide better education than the d.c. or baltimore slums. They have better access to healthcare than poor Americans, they have access to generous social benefits, the minority women get paid maternity leave, unemployment benefits stretch out much longer than here etc etc etc
I know one family of refugees who went to Germany, their children attended Saturday school, so they could learn to read and write in their own language, so they would not forget their language, all this paid for by the state. The libraries had books in their language, they could watch tv programs in their own language, access to radio in their language. It just goes on and one.