upenn M&T and Huntsman program

[Anonymous]

does anyone have info about how good these programs are. My nephew is engineering CS and interested in M&T and my son is interetsed in Huntsman program next year. They are juniors in MCPS magnet. Do you know anyone who has done these, how competetive are these ( presumably extremely competetive comparable to HYPMS ) and how are the outcomes. are they worth the 90K tag? shud they apply to Upenn CAS and SEAS instead for better chances of admit

[Anonymous]

If they're at all competitive, just apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:does anyone have info about how good these programs are. My nephew is engineering CS and interested in M&T and my son is interetsed in Huntsman program next year. They are juniors in MCPS magnet. Do you know anyone who has done these, how competetive are these ( presumably extremely competetive comparable to HYPMS ) and how are the outcomes. are they worth the 90K tag? shud they apply to Upenn CAS and SEAS instead for better chances of admit

If you can’t even take the time to use capitalization, question marks, and spell correctly (shud?), I see no reason to answer your questions. No way you are Penn material. Obviously this is a kid, not a parent.

[Anonymous]

Comparable to HYPSM. I’ve known a couple people who did M&T and the outcomes are uniquely exceptional. One I know has a nine figure net worth today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Comparable to HYPSM. I’ve known a couple people who did M&T and the outcomes are uniquely exceptional. One I know has a nine figure net worth today.

M&T and Huntsman are significantly more prestigious than a mere degree from HYP.

[Anonymous]

The Penn dual degrees are comparable to HPSM, Better than Yale.
Your engineer nephew should look into the VIPER(Seas+CAS) in addition to M&T(Seas+Wharton). Having the second degree be math/physics/chem with the Engineering degree(CIS in his case) opens more opportunities (easier to go to top industry research labs or top phd for R&D) than M&T yet places the same or better into top quant firms and consulting. Both are paths to startups.
The resources for the seas duals are unbelievable. The workload is intense.

-student is freshman Seas. Roommate and hallmates are in Viper , friends in M&T. Seas has been amazing so far but the duals get more opportunities

[Anonymous]

Both of those programs are very, very competitive (yes, equivalent to or even harder than HYPSM). However, kids should just go ahead and apply for them. They are allowed to put their first choice admission as one of the specialized programs (i.e., M&T or Huntsman), and second choice admission as SEAS or CAS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Penn dual degrees are comparable to HPSM, Better than Yale.
Your engineer nephew should look into the VIPER(Seas+CAS) in addition to M&T(Seas+Wharton). Having the second degree be math/physics/chem with the Engineering degree(CIS in his case) opens more opportunities (easier to go to top industry research labs or top phd for R&D) than M&T yet places the same or better into top quant firms and consulting. Both are paths to startups.
The resources for the seas duals are unbelievable. The workload is intense.

-student is freshman Seas. Roommate and hallmates are in Viper , friends in M&T. Seas has been amazing so far but the duals get more opportunities

MIT Engineering
#1 USNWR

PENN SEAS
#21 USNWR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn dual degrees are comparable to HPSM, Better than Yale.
Your engineer nephew should look into the VIPER(Seas+CAS) in addition to M&T(Seas+Wharton). Having the second degree be math/physics/chem with the Engineering degree(CIS in his case) opens more opportunities (easier to go to top industry research labs or top phd for R&D) than M&T yet places the same or better into top quant firms and consulting. Both are paths to startups.
The resources for the seas duals are unbelievable. The workload is intense.

-student is freshman Seas. Roommate and hallmates are in Viper , friends in M&T. Seas has been amazing so far but the duals get more opportunities

MIT Engineering
#1 USNWR

PENN SEAS
#21 USNWR

You place too much value on USNWR rankings. Post-college outcomes are much more valuable. Penn does exceptionally well there.

[Anonymous]

Worth the price tag, yes.

Probably some of THE most competitive programs in the country.

At a certain point, you have to game the admissions game. A lot of people think applying to these is a worthwhile moonshot, but it may be better to apply to a major they have a better shot at if that's the case.

Any college counselor will tell you that these are not worth applying to unless you are top 5% of class AND have multiple national, preferably iternational, awards in the discipline. Less than 3% of kids who apply get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:does anyone have info about how good these programs are. My nephew is engineering CS and interested in M&T and my son is interetsed in Huntsman program next year. They are juniors in MCPS magnet. Do you know anyone who has done these, how competetive are these ( presumably extremely competetive comparable to HYPMS ) and how are the outcomes. are they worth the 90K tag? shud they apply to Upenn CAS and SEAS instead for better chances of admit

I appreciate that you are trying to do what is best for your family and are seeking information. You have to start somewhere and this is as good a place as any. But you sound like you really know very little and need to start from scratch. I am not saying that to be nasty - again commending you for knowing what you don't know and seeking information. Unfortunately, here at DCUM you will have to sort through a lot of trash to cultivate the decent comments so be careful.

Bottom line is that this program is extremely prestigious, competitive and yields really strong outcomes. Others can nitpick about exactly how strong, but bottom line is that graduates are very desirable in a number of different fields - not worth getting in the weeds on that. It is harder to get into than other parts of Penn so you should seek advice from a good guidance counselor (hopefully they have these at a magnet school) and/or college counselor about the odds, but even for the most "perfect" applicant it is not easy.

As to whether it is worth the money, that is a very personal decision. There is a long thread here with lots of arguments on the topic. There is a good chance that if your family member graduates, they will likely get a pretty high paying job so the ROI should be good. But there are no guarantees of that. And much of the analysis depends on your own financial situation, what the alternatives are, and the costs of those alternatives.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck. Again, be careful here. There are some great posters but many who are not at all helpful and just muddy the water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn dual degrees are comparable to HPSM, Better than Yale.
Your engineer nephew should look into the VIPER(Seas+CAS) in addition to M&T(Seas+Wharton). Having the second degree be math/physics/chem with the Engineering degree(CIS in his case) opens more opportunities (easier to go to top industry research labs or top phd for R&D) than M&T yet places the same or better into top quant firms and consulting. Both are paths to startups.
The resources for the seas duals are unbelievable. The workload is intense.

-student is freshman Seas. Roommate and hallmates are in Viper , friends in M&T. Seas has been amazing so far but the duals get more opportunities

MIT Engineering
#1 USNWR

PENN SEAS
#21 USNWR

No one cares about US News since they jumped the shark a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Penn dual degrees are comparable to HPSM, Better than Yale.
Your engineer nephew should look into the VIPER(Seas+CAS) in addition to M&T(Seas+Wharton). Having the second degree be math/physics/chem with the Engineering degree(CIS in his case) opens more opportunities (easier to go to top industry research labs or top phd for R&D) than M&T yet places the same or better into top quant firms and consulting. Both are paths to startups.
The resources for the seas duals are unbelievable. The workload is intense.

-student is freshman Seas. Roommate and hallmates are in Viper , friends in M&T. Seas has been amazing so far but the duals get more opportunities

MIT Engineering
#1 USNWR

PENN SEAS
#21 USNWR

No one cares about US News since they jumped the shark a few years ago.

Not sure. Sure seems to be a big deal on this board. "T20" this "T10" that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:does anyone have info about how good these programs are. My nephew is engineering CS and interested in M&T and my son is interetsed in Huntsman program next year. They are juniors in MCPS magnet. Do you know anyone who has done these, how competetive are these ( presumably extremely competetive comparable to HYPMS ) and how are the outcomes. are they worth the 90K tag? shud they apply to Upenn CAS and SEAS instead for better chances of admit

I appreciate that you are trying to do what is best for your family and are seeking information. You have to start somewhere and this is as good a place as any. But you sound like you really know very little and need to start from scratch. I am not saying that to be nasty - again commending you for knowing what you don't know and seeking information. Unfortunately, here at DCUM you will have to sort through a lot of trash to cultivate the decent comments so be careful.

Bottom line is that this program is extremely prestigious, competitive and yields really strong outcomes. Others can nitpick about exactly how strong, but bottom line is that graduates are very desirable in a number of different fields - not worth getting in the weeds on that. It is harder to get into than other parts of Penn so you should seek advice from a good guidance counselor (hopefully they have these at a magnet school) and/or college counselor about the odds, but even for the most "perfect" applicant it is not easy.

As to whether it is worth the money, that is a very personal decision. There is a long thread here with lots of arguments on the topic. There is a good chance that if your family member graduates, they will likely get a pretty high paying job so the ROI should be good. But there are no guarantees of that. And much of the analysis depends on your own financial situation, what the alternatives are, and the costs of those alternatives.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck. Again, be careful here. There are some great posters but many who are not at all helpful and just muddy the water.

. This is extremely helpful. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:does anyone have info about how good these programs are. My nephew is engineering CS and interested in M&T and my son is interetsed in Huntsman program next year. They are juniors in MCPS magnet. Do you know anyone who has done these, how competetive are these ( presumably extremely competetive comparable to HYPMS ) and how are the outcomes. are they worth the 90K tag? shud they apply to Upenn CAS and SEAS instead for better chances of admit

I appreciate that you are trying to do what is best for your family and are seeking information. You have to start somewhere and this is as good a place as any. But you sound like you really know very little and need to start from scratch. I am not saying that to be nasty - again commending you for knowing what you don't know and seeking information. Unfortunately, here at DCUM you will have to sort through a lot of trash to cultivate the decent comments so be careful.

Bottom line is that this program is extremely prestigious, competitive and yields really strong outcomes. Others can nitpick about exactly how strong, but bottom line is that graduates are very desirable in a number of different fields - not worth getting in the weeds on that. It is harder to get into than other parts of Penn so you should seek advice from a good guidance counselor (hopefully they have these at a magnet school) and/or college counselor about the odds, but even for the most "perfect" applicant it is not easy.

As to whether it is worth the money, that is a very personal decision. There is a long thread here with lots of arguments on the topic. There is a good chance that if your family member graduates, they will likely get a pretty high paying job so the ROI should be good. But there are no guarantees of that. And much of the analysis depends on your own financial situation, what the alternatives are, and the costs of those alternatives.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck. Again, be careful here. There are some great posters but many who are not at all helpful and just muddy the water.

I highlighted the wheat in the above excessively verbose comment. Ignore the rest.