Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I think Ellyn Garofalo has been subbed into the game and is moving to quash a new subpoena filed on Freedman's law firm, Liner Freedman Taitelman Cooley, having filed a new motion to Quash Subpoena in C.D. Cal. (so different case number than Liman's docket). They've filed a joint stip. laying out each side's version of the facts. Lively is asking the court to transfer the issue back to Liman (noting Liner Freedman has a NY office). Liner Freedman says the asks are way too intrusive, asking for the law firms contacts and communications with media outlets, digital providers, and even the law firm's financial and telephone records.

From the affidavit, it looks like this subpoena was served back on May 20.


Here is the docket for this CD Cal proceeding: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70536155/liner-freedman-taitelman-coolet-llp-v-lively/


I can't believe they both signed on to this document. Is this typical? This isn't the kind of stipulation where they only outline stuff they agree on (like Lively's withdrawal of her emotional distress claims). As PP said, they both lay out their arguments in what would typically be a motion and an opposition, but they're all together. Lively's lawyers say some pretty harsh stuff about BF, and then his law firm is signatory! Like, I'm trying to imagine the two firms going back and forth making edits to this document and then signing off, and I can't.

Wayfarer counsel seems to mostly recycle the same argument while Lively's are a bit more customized. There's two different tests they could use to permit discovery on attorneys. A 3-prong test used in California and a more flexible one from NY. I think Lively has a decent argument even on the harder California test. I sort of agree with Wayfarer's point about content creators because it could be literally anyone with a personal social media account, and yet I understand what Lively means and why they don't want to define it too narrowly. This is very interesting because the whole case is about seeding negative content as retaliation, and you shouldn't be able to "wash" it by doing it through an attorney, which is ordinarily not something you'd believe an attorney would do, but they present some articles about BF's style I think we're all familiar with and point out, by name, two of his clients who post a lot of content about Lively (Megyn Kelly and Perez Hilton). I think Lively's requests are broad, but not really overbroad for the most part (limited by date and limited to communications regarding Lively, Reynolds and the case, etc), not like the crazy subpoena where they wanted all of the phone records of all the Wayfarer people regardless of relevance to the case. Wayfarer's counsel keeps saying these communications are not crucial (one of the elements of the California test) to Lively's SH and emotional distress claims, and Lively's counsel answers the obvious (duh, it's the retaliation claim). The whole document is laid out as Lively's request, Wayfarer's response, and Lively's counterargument, which kind of biases the document towards Lively because they always get the last word (but I do also find their arguments generally better).

As for why they want to go back to Liman, not sure, but may be fodder for those who believe he is biased for Lively. Lively lays out a pretty good argument for communications that at heart I don't believe are privileged (ie, between the law firm and the media, not for the purpose of defending the case). It could go Wayfarer's way or he might want them to confer more. My prediction is to some extent Lively is going to get discovery on this, within these basic parameters but maybe narrower dates or categories (notice how I'm not saying this is definitely going to happen and anyone who doesn't agree is not a real lawyer, doesn't know what they're talking about, etc). One argument they make is that before the litigation, BF is more of a witness than opposing counsel, so I could see them getting only things from before the CRD was commenced, even though they argue the retaliation is ongoing and, really, the general Lively narrative is that the Wayfarer lawsuit itself and all the press surrounding it is part of the retaliatory campaign, and they've done a good job building to that narrative (see also the MTDs, sanctions motions) but I don't see Liman going that far.


Re the format of having all the arguments in one document, that's normal depending on what jurisdiction you're in. I think it's basically how CD Cal does a motion to quash or a motion to compel, instead of the letter motions we see in SDNY. It doesn't mean the parties "agree" on what the other party includes in their portion, it just basically combines the different parts into a single doc. https://publiccounsel.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Guide-How-to-File-a-Motion-to-Compel-2023.pdf

I don't think this subpoena is silly, and this case IS different than other cases where an attorney talks to the media. But I don't agree with Gottlieb that Freedman would have been serving as only a witness in August just because Lively didn't sue until December - he could have been serving as an attorney working in anticipation of litigation and to ward off a lawsuit. I don't know how they will resolve this tbh.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think Ellyn Garofalo has been subbed into the game and is moving to quash a new subpoena filed on Freedman's law firm, Liner Freedman Taitelman Cooley, having filed a new motion to Quash Subpoena in C.D. Cal. (so different case number than Liman's docket). They've filed a joint stip. laying out each side's version of the facts. Lively is asking the court to transfer the issue back to Liman (noting Liner Freedman has a NY office). Liner Freedman says the asks are way too intrusive, asking for the law firms contacts and communications with media outlets, digital providers, and even the law firm's financial and telephone records.

From the affidavit, it looks like this subpoena was served back on May 20.


Here is the docket for this CD Cal proceeding: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70536155/liner-freedman-taitelman-coolet-llp-v-lively/


I can't believe they both signed on to this document. Is this typical? This isn't the kind of stipulation where they only outline stuff they agree on (like Lively's withdrawal of her emotional distress claims). As PP said, they both lay out their arguments in what would typically be a motion and an opposition, but they're all together. Lively's lawyers say some pretty harsh stuff about BF, and then his law firm is signatory! Like, I'm trying to imagine the two firms going back and forth making edits to this document and then signing off, and I can't.

Wayfarer counsel seems to mostly recycle the same argument while Lively's are a bit more customized. There's two different tests they could use to permit discovery on attorneys. A 3-prong test used in California and a more flexible one from NY. I think Lively has a decent argument even on the harder California test. I sort of agree with Wayfarer's point about content creators because it could be literally anyone with a personal social media account, and yet I understand what Lively means and why they don't want to define it too narrowly. This is very interesting because the whole case is about seeding negative content as retaliation, and you shouldn't be able to "wash" it by doing it through an attorney, which is ordinarily not something you'd believe an attorney would do, but they present some articles about BF's style I think we're all familiar with and point out, by name, two of his clients who post a lot of content about Lively (Megyn Kelly and Perez Hilton). I think Lively's requests are broad, but not really overbroad for the most part (limited by date and limited to communications regarding Lively, Reynolds and the case, etc), not like the crazy subpoena where they wanted all of the phone records of all the Wayfarer people regardless of relevance to the case. Wayfarer's counsel keeps saying these communications are not crucial (one of the elements of the California test) to Lively's SH and emotional distress claims, and Lively's counsel answers the obvious (duh, it's the retaliation claim). The whole document is laid out as Lively's request, Wayfarer's response, and Lively's counterargument, which kind of biases the document towards Lively because they always get the last word (but I do also find their arguments generally better).

As for why they want to go back to Liman, not sure, but may be fodder for those who believe he is biased for Lively. Lively lays out a pretty good argument for communications that at heart I don't believe are privileged (ie, between the law firm and the media, not for the purpose of defending the case). It could go Wayfarer's way or he might want them to confer more. My prediction is to some extent Lively is going to get discovery on this, within these basic parameters but maybe narrower dates or categories (notice how I'm not saying this is definitely going to happen and anyone who doesn't agree is not a real lawyer, doesn't know what they're talking about, etc). One argument they make is that before the litigation, BF is more of a witness than opposing counsel, so I could see them getting only things from before the CRD was commenced, even though they argue the retaliation is ongoing and, really, the general Lively narrative is that the Wayfarer lawsuit itself and all the press surrounding it is part of the retaliatory campaign, and they've done a good job building to that narrative (see also the MTDs, sanctions motions) but I don't see Liman going that far.


Re the format of having all the arguments in one document, that's normal depending on what jurisdiction you're in. I think it's basically how CD Cal does a motion to quash or a motion to compel, instead of the letter motions we see in SDNY. It doesn't mean the parties "agree" on what the other party includes in their portion, it just basically combines the different parts into a single doc. https://publiccounsel.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Guide-How-to-File-a-Motion-to-Compel-2023.pdf

I don't think this subpoena is silly, and this case IS different than other cases where an attorney talks to the media. But I don't agree with Gottlieb that Freedman would have been serving as only a witness in August just because Lively didn't sue until December - he could have been serving as an attorney working in anticipation of litigation and to ward off a lawsuit. I don't know how they will resolve this tbh.


Thanks for the explanation, I wasn't familiar with that method.

That's fair that it might have been in anticipation of litigation. The tricky thing is that it depends on what the communications are but how do you get to them? Like hypothetically, if stories about Blake being rude to someone at a store are planted by Freedman, that's not privileged and they shouldn't be able to use an attorney to put that out there. But you need some kind of discovery to know it was that and not something related to litigation strategy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


The totally organic shills and bots and juked analytics her crisis PR hacks present to her and Ry show they are WINNING. A fool and their money... lol
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Vogue mistakenly left comments open on their Instagram when they posted a pic of Blake. Oops.

Can’t control everything, PR folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/comments/1l89ytn/vogue_comments_are_lit_after_featuring_blake/


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Speaking of Vogue, they report her wedding dress was Marchesa?!

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/blake-lively-wedding-dress-marchesa-bridal-gown-married-ryan-reynolds

Yet, if you go to Marchesa's wikipedia, no mention of Blake Lively as one of the famous actresses who wore Harvey's wife's fashion label. Weird!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Vogue mistakenly left comments open on their Instagram when they posted a pic of Blake. Oops.

Can’t control everything, PR folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/comments/1l89ytn/vogue_comments_are_lit_after_featuring_blake/




From the vogue insta comments. Someone posted something along these lines…

‘Blake and Ryan have made a mockery of domestic violence and sexual harassment. They are an insult to REAL victims… we are watching’

Wow. They have really upset people!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Speaking of Vogue, they report her wedding dress was Marchesa?!

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/blake-lively-wedding-dress-marchesa-bridal-gown-married-ryan-reynolds

Yet, if you go to Marchesa's wikipedia, no mention of Blake Lively as one of the famous actresses who wore Harvey's wife's fashion label. Weird!


I guess shes just toxic right now. Do you think her current campaign is helping or hurting her? I think it’s only hurting her because it comes across as so phony and people notice and it only makes them madder
Anonymous
That's a cool photo.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Vogue mistakenly left comments open on their Instagram when they posted a pic of Blake. Oops.

Can’t control everything, PR folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/comments/1l89ytn/vogue_comments_are_lit_after_featuring_blake/




From the vogue insta comments. Someone posted something along these lines…

‘Blake and Ryan have made a mockery of domestic violence and sexual harassment. They are an insult to REAL victims… we are watching’

Wow. They have really upset people!


Wait. "Someone" wrote that? Whoa. I always defer to the judgment of someone. And they have an Instagram account? Sounds very legit. Thanks for posting this important source.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Vogue mistakenly left comments open on their Instagram when they posted a pic of Blake. Oops.

Can’t control everything, PR folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/comments/1l89ytn/vogue_comments_are_lit_after_featuring_blake/




From the vogue insta comments. Someone posted something along these lines…

‘Blake and Ryan have made a mockery of domestic violence and sexual harassment. They are an insult to REAL victims… we are watching’

Wow. They have really upset people!


Wait. "Someone" wrote that? Whoa. I always defer to the judgment of someone. And they have an Instagram account? Sounds very legit. Thanks for posting this important source.


I really hate it when I upset "someone." Oh noes!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Vogue mistakenly left comments open on their Instagram when they posted a pic of Blake. Oops.

Can’t control everything, PR folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/comments/1l89ytn/vogue_comments_are_lit_after_featuring_blake/




From the vogue insta comments. Someone posted something along these lines…

‘Blake and Ryan have made a mockery of domestic violence and sexual harassment. They are an insult to REAL victims… we are watching’

Wow. They have really upset people!


Wait. "Someone" wrote that? Whoa. I always defer to the judgment of someone. And they have an Instagram account? Sounds very legit. Thanks for posting this important source.


I really hate it when I upset "someone." Oh noes!


Lol dynamic PR duo at it again!

Yes, a person wrote that. Unlike you two, I’m not interested in stalking or doxing people or asking them to meet up in DC area parking lots to ‘prove’ they’re real.

Wow, your billable hours must be really low this month!! Aren’t you worried about your bonus??
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the comments under the Vogue piece? Wow. Harsh. People don’t trust or like Blake


Which Vogue piece? She's in it all the time, it seems.


Vogue mistakenly left comments open on their Instagram when they posted a pic of Blake. Oops.

Can’t control everything, PR folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/comments/1l89ytn/vogue_comments_are_lit_after_featuring_blake/




From the vogue insta comments. Someone posted something along these lines…

‘Blake and Ryan have made a mockery of domestic violence and sexual harassment. They are an insult to REAL victims… we are watching’

Wow. They have really upset people!


Wait. "Someone" wrote that? Whoa. I always defer to the judgment of someone. And they have an Instagram account? Sounds very legit. Thanks for posting this important source.


I really hate it when I upset "someone." Oh noes!


Have you filled up the comments on vogues insta with your totally organic comments yet?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.347.0.pdf

This is a fun little email exchange that cuts off right where Melissa Nathan is about to talk about other stuff she and Jed worked on! Could potentially be relevant if they mention wanting similar work done for you know who.

Some Lively supporters had speculated that Wallace is very underground and doesn't put things in writing or even gets paid in bitcoin or untraceable methods, but here he is using email and reference is made to a subcontract and a w9.


Yes, that cut off exchange where Nathan starts to reference prior work with Wallace is pretty tantalizing. Depending on how that email ends, we really could see discovery and exploration of the Depp/Heard trial in this case. Would be directly relevant if Nathan was using TAG's work for Depp against Heard as a selling point with Baldoni and Wayfarer. Couple that with, for instance, Baldoni's text with the screen shot of a tweet calling Hailey Bieber a "mean girl" (which, btw, is a take that is really aging like milk!) and saying "we need this" and it just becomes increasingly hard to see how this wasn't a retaliatory campaign.

"Please destroy Blake Lively the same way you destroyed Amber Heard and the way Hailey Bieber is currently being ripped apart online, quickly before she tells anyone about her experiences with me on the set of this movie." It's not a good look!


The Bates numbers on here (begin with "SR") suggest that this doc was produced by Street Relations, Wallace's firm (and that this doc was part of it's first production). It looks like an electronically produced doc to me, not a hard copy. If so, I expect that the next page(s) of it must have been produced -- an email from an electronic dataset likely won't have been cut off mid-doc, like a hard copy doc might be. I expect the Lively parties do have the next page of this doc. It's interesting to me that this doc is cut off where it is because it was attached as an exhibit to an Esra Hudson motion by Manatt -- so I think the *Lively parties* and not Wallace made the decision to cut the doc short. I wonder why?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.347.0.pdf

This is a fun little email exchange that cuts off right where Melissa Nathan is about to talk about other stuff she and Jed worked on! Could potentially be relevant if they mention wanting similar work done for you know who.

Some Lively supporters had speculated that Wallace is very underground and doesn't put things in writing or even gets paid in bitcoin or untraceable methods, but here he is using email and reference is made to a subcontract and a w9.


Yes, that cut off exchange where Nathan starts to reference prior work with Wallace is pretty tantalizing. Depending on how that email ends, we really could see discovery and exploration of the Depp/Heard trial in this case. Would be directly relevant if Nathan was using TAG's work for Depp against Heard as a selling point with Baldoni and Wayfarer. Couple that with, for instance, Baldoni's text with the screen shot of a tweet calling Hailey Bieber a "mean girl" (which, btw, is a take that is really aging like milk!) and saying "we need this" and it just becomes increasingly hard to see how this wasn't a retaliatory campaign.

"Please destroy Blake Lively the same way you destroyed Amber Heard and the way Hailey Bieber is currently being ripped apart online, quickly before she tells anyone about her experiences with me on the set of this movie." It's not a good look!


The Bates numbers on here (begin with "SR") suggest that this doc was produced by Street Relations, Wallace's firm (and that this doc was part of it's first production). It looks like an electronically produced doc to me, not a hard copy. If so, I expect that the next page(s) of it must have been produced -- an email from an electronic dataset likely won't have been cut off mid-doc, like a hard copy doc might be. I expect the Lively parties do have the next page of this doc. It's interesting to me that this doc is cut off where it is because it was attached as an exhibit to an Esra Hudson motion by Manatt -- so I think the *Lively parties* and not Wallace made the decision to cut the doc short. I wonder why?


That's a good catch. The pdf says filed under seal but that appears to be related only to the redaction of Wallace's phone number.
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