Catholic Integralism ?
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Anonymous
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One of the oldest ideas in Christianity has come to renewed prominence.
Unfortunately for the US this only achieved removing Separation of Church and State. Is this a religious issue or a political one? Should the US be one religion? If so which one will survive the removal of separation of church and state ? |
Anonymous
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I don’t know a single American Catholic of any age that wants to live in a nation like that.
I’m sure some exist, but even old school Catholics like my mom and her aunts (80s and 90s, attending daily Mass) like pluralism. |
Anonymous
| MAGA White "Christian" Supremacists will rise. The rest of us will ignore and boycott the newly bastardized holidays including shopping. |
Anonymous
This is one reason why there will be virtually no Catholic support. Separation of church and state has protected Catholics. Growing up, my parents dealt with anti-Catholic sentiment in secular spaces. It came from Protestants and would have been much worse without legal constraints. Any person today who wants an official Christian religion in the U.S. is likely a Nazi or Nat-C, no matter what faith they claim. |
Anonymous
| You are describing Nazism. Should the US become Nazi? No, we should not. |
Anonymous
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This assumes that Christianity would win out and then the Catholic version.
Catholicism lost that battle centuries ago. |
Anonymous
There is a still a huge rift between Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholicism that will absolutely never be healed. |
Anonymous
Are you the same poster that is always off topic here? |
Anonymous
| No Catholic I know would ever support this notion. |
Anonymous
DP, but it hardly seems off-topic. The Catholic Church has learned how to be ecumenical which is amazing given the (in some cases, literal) fight with orthodoxy in Europe. Personally, I see orthodoxy leaning towards religious nationalism in this country far more than Catholicism. Pay very close attention to what is happening in Orthodox congregations recruiting young men and exhorting women to marry young so they can produce as many babies as possible. There’s a lot of warrior talk. |
Anonymous
The kind of orthodoxy you are talking about will never be high enough in numbers to make a difference. Not enough young men and women will want to participate. |
Anonymous
This is a real thing. If you spend any time in white nationalist spaces Orthodoxy is all the rage. This is also tied up in support for Russia over Ukraine. The idea is that Orthodoxy is the way because it is “original” and doesn’t change. There are some ugly things afloat here. Many old school Orthodox churchgoers are really put off by this new influx of 20- and 30-something politically driven men but what can you do? Turn them away? |
Anonymous
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Why do you constantly post about stuff that's extremely out of the mainstream?
This isn't happening, OP, and it's never happening. |
Anonymous
DP here. I find it on topic and very interesting. |
Anonymous
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First, if you hear someone talking about this, they are absolutley being poltical and trying to stir the pot by misrepresenting Catholic social doctrine.
Second, it's not a thing in the Church. Vatican II: "This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits." Separation of Church and State is the actual Catholic position on politics, and it was strongly ingrained in the brains of U.S. Catholic school children. Clearly, not everyone learned that lesson well, but they can still be taught. Besides, it's a global religion, so which country's politics would it even seek to adopt? |