Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

[Anonymous]

Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Washington and Lee…Claremont Colleges are very liberal in general; CMC only leans liberal, but that is still not what your kid is looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

[Anonymous]

Washington and Lee is much more conservative; particularly its student newspaper “The Spectator.” The things that students advocate in that student journal are much more radical and extreme than what students at the Claremont colleges do. CMC has California conservatives- much more liberal than Virginia ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

[Anonymous]

California's conservatives are equivalent to Virginia's moderates. Much more open and tolerant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

CMC actually allows a diverse range of voices and lived experiences. Claremont McKenna students aren’t offended that black people exist at their college, while there’s a decent subset of W&L students and alum who can’t stand that there are people of color walking around. W&L is a bit bizarre with how much they suppress open thought in the wrong way. Open thought is about considering both sides

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

CMC actually allows a diverse range of voices and lived experiences. Claremont McKenna students aren’t offended that black people exist at their college, while there’s a decent subset of W&L students and alum who can’t stand that there are people of color walking around. W&L is a bit bizarre with how much they suppress open thought in the wrong way. Open thought is about considering both sides

I think you are making clear just how open-minded you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

The question is open and tolerant. CMC wins on that front by a thousand miles.

[Anonymous]

Note I am not a troll, but these are real comments by W&L alum and parents. I have never seen a more vile group of comments and clear racist culture than the 5 seconds I spent researching on this topic. OP, I’d strongly consider what you believe to be “tolerant.” This community’s the opposite. And with that…the comments:

You are so right. My oldest daughter graduated in 1996, her husband in 1995 and my youngest daughter in 2005. Back then you had to be a stellar student to be admitted. Clearly that’s no longer the case. President Dudley is a spineless wimp. He has been all too willing to bow down for DEI. When I heard that a fund had been created in the name of George Floyd by black alum I was livid. How dare they create a fund named after a common criminal with a felony conviction and who had every drug under the sun in his system at the time of his death when he was actively resisting arrest?? And, at the same time some horribly misguided MALCONTENTS were busy petitioning the Board to remove Robert E. Lee’s name from the school!!! At that moment of sheer disbelief and utter anger we stopped all our annual contributions to W&L. Gone are the days of pride in the school and Robert E. Lee. In its place has been decidedly forced shame and appeasement. My daughter and son-in-law were married in the LEE CHAPEL in 1999 and not in “The Chapel”!!
I am disgusted with Washington and Lee. I am disgusted that DEI has taken precedence over academic excellence as a requirement for admission. I am disgusted by the noisy minority of malcontents who refuse to shut up. They knew where they were going. Why go to a school named after someone you very misguidedly abhor?? Leave and go somewhere else!!
I’ve also heard that the mere existence of the Honor Code has been called into question. Why?? Because black students are “complaining” that they are being singled out for violations of this code that has been in place since 1865!!! No surprise there.
In case I haven’t made it abundantly clear I loathe what has transpired at W&L. Not only for clearly lowering the academic standards for admission but m more importantly for all the school stood for, the Honor Code and traditions. My husband and I were always so proud to say our two girls were graduates of this very unique and special school. It meant everything to us. Our girls have taken the Honor Code with them into their professional and personal lives.
Now thanks to the insidious and malignant cancer that is DEI our school will never be the same. Shane on President Dudley, the Asians the abhorrent left wing faculty members who have taken every possible step to ruin what was once a school of excellence, tradition and honor!! Shame on all of you !

I find it very sad and it also angers me how W&L bends over backwards to appease and accommodate DEI and the student they bring in. Whether the administration will admit it academic excellence is no longer a priority. My last child graduated in 2005 and at that time you still had to be a stellar student to gain admission. That’s gone by the wayside.
Everything we loved about Washington and Lee has disappeared all in the name of DEI. This administration won’t change. DEI will still be a priority. I was once so proud that my two daughters graduated from W&L. Now I don’t even wear my W&L T-shirts anymore. They don’t represent the school I knew and lived.

Academia is infected with an awful mind virus. The faculty at W&L was in favor of removing the name Lee from the college by about 4-1. They’re gone. The only way to treat it is to radically remove them and the leaders of the institution.

The BOT lacks that courage.

Our beloved college is changed forever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

CMC actually allows a diverse range of voices and lived experiences. Claremont McKenna students aren’t offended that black people exist at their college, while there’s a decent subset of W&L students and alum who can’t stand that there are people of color walking around. W&L is a bit bizarre with how much they suppress open thought in the wrong way. Open thought is about considering both sides

I think you are making clear just how open-minded you are.

Okay? Doesn’t change that CMC has resources put towards open dialogue across the aisle. You sound like the ideologue of the two of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?

[Anonymous]

What do you mean by “arts”? Neither are terrific studio Arts schools. Do you mean liberal arts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by “arts”? Neither are terrific studio Arts schools. Do you mean liberal arts?

They’re making a joke on liberal arts college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Note I am not a troll, but these are real comments by W&L alum and parents. I have never seen a more vile group of comments and clear racist culture than the 5 seconds I spent researching on this topic. OP, I’d strongly consider what you believe to be “tolerant.” This community’s the opposite. And with that…the comments:

You are so right. My oldest daughter graduated in 1996, her husband in 1995 and my youngest daughter in 2005. Back then you had to be a stellar student to be admitted. Clearly that’s no longer the case. President Dudley is a spineless wimp. He has been all too willing to bow down for DEI. When I heard that a fund had been created in the name of George Floyd by black alum I was livid. How dare they create a fund named after a common criminal with a felony conviction and who had every drug under the sun in his system at the time of his death when he was actively resisting arrest?? And, at the same time some horribly misguided MALCONTENTS were busy petitioning the Board to remove Robert E. Lee’s name from the school!!! At that moment of sheer disbelief and utter anger we stopped all our annual contributions to W&L. Gone are the days of pride in the school and Robert E. Lee. In its place has been decidedly forced shame and appeasement. My daughter and son-in-law were married in the LEE CHAPEL in 1999 and not in “The Chapel”!!
I am disgusted with Washington and Lee. I am disgusted that DEI has taken precedence over academic excellence as a requirement for admission. I am disgusted by the noisy minority of malcontents who refuse to shut up. They knew where they were going. Why go to a school named after someone you very misguidedly abhor?? Leave and go somewhere else!!
I’ve also heard that the mere existence of the Honor Code has been called into question. Why?? Because black students are “complaining” that they are being singled out for violations of this code that has been in place since 1865!!! No surprise there.
In case I haven’t made it abundantly clear I loathe what has transpired at W&L. Not only for clearly lowering the academic standards for admission but m more importantly for all the school stood for, the Honor Code and traditions. My husband and I were always so proud to say our two girls were graduates of this very unique and special school. It meant everything to us. Our girls have taken the Honor Code with them into their professional and personal lives.
Now thanks to the insidious and malignant cancer that is DEI our school will never be the same. Shane on President Dudley, the Asians the abhorrent left wing faculty members who have taken every possible step to ruin what was once a school of excellence, tradition and honor!! Shame on all of you !

I find it very sad and it also angers me how W&L bends over backwards to appease and accommodate DEI and the student they bring in. Whether the administration will admit it academic excellence is no longer a priority. My last child graduated in 2005 and at that time you still had to be a stellar student to gain admission. That’s gone by the wayside.
Everything we loved about Washington and Lee has disappeared all in the name of DEI. This administration won’t change. DEI will still be a priority. I was once so proud that my two daughters graduated from W&L. Now I don’t even wear my W&L T-shirts anymore. They don’t represent the school I knew and lived.

Academia is infected with an awful mind virus. The faculty at W&L was in favor of removing the name Lee from the college by about 4-1. They’re gone. The only way to treat it is to radically remove them and the leaders of the institution.

The BOT lacks that courage.

Our beloved college is changed forever.

PP is a white supremacist.

Sad.