Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

First, Israelis use Holocaust and "never again" rhetoric for emotional and political purposes ALL the time.

Second, I'm sorry you're finding this difficult to digest but no one owns genocide. It has happened before, and it will happen again. That word is not copyrightable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

First, Israelis use Holocaust and "never again" rhetoric for emotional and political purposes ALL the time.

Second, I'm sorry you're finding this difficult to digest but no one owns genocide. It has happened before, and it will happen again. That word is not copyrightable.

I don’t think that anyone owns genocide. It has happened in the past to many different ethnicities and factions.

But when someone doesn’t acknowledge any other genocides (past or present), but gets insanely worked up about Gaza and Jews, shouting “you said never again”’ in the face of Jews….. to me it suggests antisemitism. The only genocide you object to is one where you think Jews are the perpetrators.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

First, Israelis use Holocaust and "never again" rhetoric for emotional and political purposes ALL the time.

Second, I'm sorry you're finding this difficult to digest but no one owns genocide. It has happened before, and it will happen again. That word is not copyrightable.

DP.

What a horrific human being you must be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

Thanks for reporting and glad I didn’t see that. I would also add that in my opinion many Europeans in particular love to use this inflammatory language, genocide, Nazis, ethnic cleansing, etc, with regard to Israel and Jews bc it makes them feel less guilty about what happened in Europe during the Holocaust. “See? Anyone is capable of it! Even the Jews! Let’s put our own “naughtiness” into context.” Never mind that there is absolutely no parallel and any informed person would know this.

One can only speculate about other people's motives. One could also speculate about the motives of those who are over-eager to downplay Israel's atrocities. Instead of trying to commandeer maximum victimhood, perhaps we could look at these tragedies in isolation. There's a Columbian serial killer who was convicted of murdering over 190 people. As horrible as that was, it hardly means we should give other murderers a pass because they "only" got a couple of people. Murdering one person is a horrific crime, not minimized because someone else may have killed 200. Similarly, genocide doesn't have to be comparable in scale to the Holocaust to constitute genocide. It's still a hideous abomination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

First, Israelis use Holocaust and "never again" rhetoric for emotional and political purposes ALL the time.

Second, I'm sorry you're finding this difficult to digest but no one owns genocide. It has happened before, and it will happen again. That word is not copyrightable.

I don’t think that anyone owns genocide. It has happened in the past to many different ethnicities and factions.

But when someone doesn’t acknowledge any other genocides (past or present), but gets insanely worked up about Gaza and Jews, shouting “you said never again”’ in the face of Jews….. to me it suggests antisemitism. The only genocide you object to is one where you think Jews are the perpetrators.

How would you know the screaming person doesn't acknowledge any other genocides?

Your last sentence is a clear 'don't look me, look at that other guy' tactic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

Thanks for reporting and glad I didn’t see that. I would also add that in my opinion many Europeans in particular love to use this inflammatory language, genocide, Nazis, ethnic cleansing, etc, with regard to Israel and Jews bc it makes them feel less guilty about what happened in Europe during the Holocaust. “See? Anyone is capable of it! Even the Jews! Let’s put our own “naughtiness” into context.” Never mind that there is absolutely no parallel and any informed person would know this.

One can only speculate about other people's motives. One could also speculate about the motives of those who are over-eager to downplay Israel's atrocities. Instead of trying to commandeer maximum victimhood, perhaps we could look at these tragedies in isolation. There's a Columbian serial killer who was convicted of murdering over 190 people. As horrible as that was, it hardly means we should give other murderers a pass because they "only" got a couple of people. Murdering one person is a horrific crime, not minimized because someone else may have killed 200. Similarly, genocide doesn't have to be comparable in scale to the Holocaust to constitute genocide. It's still a hideous abomination.

War is terrible. Innocent people get killed and it’s a tragedy. That does NOT make it a genocide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

First, Israelis use Holocaust and "never again" rhetoric for emotional and political purposes ALL the time.

Second, I'm sorry you're finding this difficult to digest but no one owns genocide. It has happened before, and it will happen again. That word is not copyrightable.

I don’t think that anyone owns genocide. It has happened in the past to many different ethnicities and factions.

But when someone doesn’t acknowledge any other genocides (past or present), but gets insanely worked up about Gaza and Jews, shouting “you said never again”’ in the face of Jews….. to me it suggests antisemitism. The only genocide you object to is one where you think Jews are the perpetrators.

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

Thanks for reporting and glad I didn’t see that. I would also add that in my opinion many Europeans in particular love to use this inflammatory language, genocide, Nazis, ethnic cleansing, etc, with regard to Israel and Jews bc it makes them feel less guilty about what happened in Europe during the Holocaust. “See? Anyone is capable of it! Even the Jews! Let’s put our own “naughtiness” into context.” Never mind that there is absolutely no parallel and any informed person would know this.

One can only speculate about other people's motives. One could also speculate about the motives of those who are over-eager to downplay Israel's atrocities. Instead of trying to commandeer maximum victimhood, perhaps we could look at these tragedies in isolation. There's a Columbian serial killer who was convicted of murdering over 190 people. As horrible as that was, it hardly means we should give other murderers a pass because they "only" got a couple of people. Murdering one person is a horrific crime, not minimized because someone else may have killed 200. Similarly, genocide doesn't have to be comparable in scale to the Holocaust to constitute genocide. It's still a hideous abomination.

War is terrible. Innocent people get killed and it’s a tragedy. That does NOT make it a genocide.

Trying to starve people while speaking bloodlust is what the Israeli government is doing. That totally is genocide!

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

Actually, it is antisemitic. The most basic DEI training will teach you that discrimination and harassment and hostile work environment caused by racist conduct is not based on what the allegedly racist person intended; whether it is racist from a legal perspective is whether a reasonable person on the receiving end of the comment would be offended. Comparing the Holocaust to Palestinian suffering is a party trick that weaponizes a 6 million person genocide, steals and misuses the term “genocide” and then applies it to an unfortunate and tragic situation in which innocents are killed because they are used as human shields by the terrorist organization that rules their government. Throwing the phrase “never again” in the face of Jewish people is offensive and antisemitic in this context. And no, just because YOU don’t agree that you’re antisemitic doesn’t mean that you aren’t. The legal standard is whether an average person, and particularly an average Jewish person, would find what you say to be offensive and antisemitic. And what you are saying is antisemitic, and we all see through you when you fixate and foam at the mouth over Jews killing Palestinians when you ignore all the other Palestinian deaths in other countries such as Syria or all the other mass killings that have taken place in the world over the past couple of decades. We see you, we know exactly what you are, and we’re too classy to scream in your face about it.

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide. Many experts on the topic believe that what is happening in Gaza is objectively genocide under this definition. Your argument appears to be that because of the Holocaust, identifying other genocides is "stealing and misusing" the term. That's like arguing you can't accuse anyone of murder, even when all the evidence is there, because someone previously committed an unrelated mass homicide. This obviously makes no sense, and it proves the point the PP made. And if antisemitism is in the eye of the beholder, what does DEI training make of anti-Palestinian sentiment? Is an "average Palestinian person" justified in feeling offended and victimized by having all their children killed by dumb bombs and dumber AI algorithms? By Smotrich's "Decisive Plan"? By deliberate starvation? By the execution of pro-Palestinian journalists? By vicious settler attacks in the West Bank? Antisemitism is real and ugly (as is anti-Palestinianism), but here you are weaponizing the term to try to shut down concerns about an ongoing genocide, which is really quite ironic.

Neither you or I decide whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The International Court of Justice in The Hague will determine whether what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. The ICJ has already denied the preliminary injunction sought by South Africa on the basis of an ongoing genocide, but we will see how the longer trial goes.

What I’m saying is that a lot of people shouting the word genocide is inflammatory and designed to elicit an emotional response. But going even a step further and likening what is happening in Gaza to the Holocaust is a gut punch to Jews and many feel it’s antisemitic. Considering that there are people on this threat who are literally calling for all Jews to be wiped off the face of the earth (I just reported to Jeff Steele a post that wished Germans had completed their job and wiped out all Jews), if you’re posting a lot on here in defense of Gazans and think you’re antisemitic, then I would check yourself because you’re keeping close company with antisemites.

First, Israelis use Holocaust and "never again" rhetoric for emotional and political purposes ALL the time.

Second, I'm sorry you're finding this difficult to digest but no one owns genocide. It has happened before, and it will happen again. That word is not copyrightable.

I don’t think that anyone owns genocide. It has happened in the past to many different ethnicities and factions.

But when someone doesn’t acknowledge any other genocides (past or present), but gets insanely worked up about Gaza and Jews, shouting “you said never again”’ in the face of Jews….. to me it suggests antisemitism. The only genocide you object to is one where you think Jews are the perpetrators.

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Thank you for saying this so well

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One of the main worries with Israel is if things go bad they will start using nuclear weapons. If you are willing and proudly justifying a genocide why would you not use nuclear weapons?

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Anonymous wrote:One of the main worries with Israel is if things go bad they will start using nuclear weapons. If you are willing and proudly justifying a genocide why would you not use nuclear weapons?

How to say "I know nothing about IR" without saying "I know nothing about IR".

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Anonymous wrote:One of the main worries with Israel is if things go bad they will start using nuclear weapons. If you are willing and proudly justifying a genocide why would you not use nuclear weapons?

How to say "I know nothing about IR" without saying "I know nothing about IR".

I’d also worry about the judgment of anyone who non-ironically uses ‘IR’. Alphabet soup is a tell, especially when it is used to denigrate serious concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the main worries with Israel is if things go bad they will start using nuclear weapons. If you are willing and proudly justifying a genocide why would you not use nuclear weapons?

Netanyahu would use his nukes only if this Democrat WH is at his side, at least unofficially.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the main worries with Israel is if things go bad they will start using nuclear weapons. If you are willing and proudly justifying a genocide why would you not use nuclear weapons?

Netanyahu would use his nukes only if this Democrat WH is at his side, at least unofficially.

What makes the last few months and whatever happens in Gaza such a disaster for Americans: the genocidal and warmongering crap the Israelis have done and will do implicates us. It has already done us serious damage and can only get worse, barring a major change in direction.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the main worries with Israel is if things go bad they will start using nuclear weapons. If you are willing and proudly justifying a genocide why would you not use nuclear weapons?

Netanyahu would use his nukes only if this Democrat WH is at his side, at least unofficially.

What makes the last few months and whatever happens in Gaza such a disaster for Americans: the genocidal and warmongering crap the Israelis have done and will do implicates us. It has already done us serious damage and can only get worse, barring a major change in direction.

Yes, let’s worry about the “genocidal and warmongering crap” and not focus on the terrorist organizations we’re aligning ourselves with. Let’s pretend that the Gazans are all complete innocents and not controlled by a terrorist regime that wants to kill all Israelis, and let’s just say that Muslim extremism is not a threat to the US or Europe or the world. Let’s just allow Iran and Russia and China control our social media, our elections. Let’s just give the terrorists the keys to the car and watch them and the Israelis kill each other and cross our fingers and hope it will all work out in the end.