who swims which events at All-Stars

[Anonymous]

Confused about who can swim which events at All-Stars (in PMSL, not sure if it's different for MCSL/NVSL). Is it top 12 for each event across the league all season, or top 12 times swum at Divisionals? In other words, do you have to have swam 25 free at Divisionals in order to swim it at All-Stars? Or if you swam it at some other point in the season but didn't swim it at Divisionals (but still participated in Divisionals, in other events), can you still swim the 25 free at All-Stars?

[Anonymous]

For PMSL I think it is only Divisionals times that count. And usually it is 3 heats per event, so 18 kids (or teams for relays). The winner for each event from each Divisionals gets in, as well as the top 12 times beyond that. (and there's 8 alternates listed in case of scratches, and they move up into the race as kids scratch due to travel etc)

My understanding is the same kids who were in a relay at Divisionals, have to do it at All-Stars but they can sub someone in if there's an absence.

And I think you only can swim All-Stars if you swam Divisionals. Last year a couple of our top swimmers missed Divisionals and so had to miss All-Stars. (But I could be wrong and my kids are mid-tier on our team so I can't say from experience just observation)

[Anonymous]

MCSL uses the posted seedings on the website - top 16 kids swim all stars (but kids scratch bc of futures and other commitments) and kids can only swim 2 events total and many of the top kids are top 16 in more than 2 events. So often goes way lower in the rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCSL uses the posted seedings on the website - top 16 kids swim all stars (but kids scratch bc of futures and other commitments) and kids can only swim 2 events total and many of the top kids are top 16 in more than 2 events. So often goes way lower in the rankings.

That's not entirely accurate.

For PMSL you have to have swam at Divisionals to swim at All-Stars. And your Divisionals time is the seed time used for All-Stars (doesn't matter if you swam faster at a regular season meet).

The 1st place finisher from all 6 Divisionals in each event automatically get an All-Stars spot. Then the next 12 fastest times (plus the 8 alternates as mentioned). So often times you'll see the winner from a couple of the lower divisions have slower times than all of the alternates.

But the number of events is the same limit as at a regular meet - 3 events plus a relay (I assume you could also do 2 relays and 2 events, but I'm not 100% sure about that). My kid is in three events plus a relay, which is how I can confirm.

For relays, it's the team's relay that makes All-Stars (based on Divisionals times) - not the individual teammates. So you could swap someone in to a relay even if they didn't swim at Divisionals. I know for our relays we have at least one person in at least 3 of the 5 relays that will be swimming at All Stars and either didn't make Divisionals or was out of town. But someone on the Divisionals relay will be gone for All-Stars.

[Anonymous]

And also, yes, a ton of the older kids scratch because of Futures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCSL uses the posted seedings on the website - top 16 kids swim all stars (but kids scratch bc of futures and other commitments) and kids can only swim 2 events total and many of the top kids are top 16 in more than 2 events. So often goes way lower in the rankings.

That's not entirely accurate.

For PMSL you have to have swam at Divisionals to swim at All-Stars. And your Divisionals time is the seed time used for All-Stars (doesn't matter if you swam faster at a regular season meet).

The 1st place finisher from all 6 Divisionals in each event automatically get an All-Stars spot. Then the next 12 fastest times (plus the 8 alternates as mentioned). So often times you'll see the winner from a couple of the lower divisions have slower times than all of the alternates.

But the number of events is the same limit as at a regular meet - 3 events plus a relay (I assume you could also do 2 relays and 2 events, but I'm not 100% sure about that). My kid is in three events plus a relay, which is how I can confirm.

For relays, it's the team's relay that makes All-Stars (based on Divisionals times) - not the individual teammates. So you could swap someone in to a relay even if they didn't swim at Divisionals. I know for our relays we have at least one person in at least 3 of the 5 relays that will be swimming at All Stars and either didn't make Divisionals or was out of town. But someone on the Divisionals relay will be gone for All-Stars.

PP - oops! I misread that you were posting about MCSL. I thought it was still chiming in on PMSL based on the response above. Sorry!

[Anonymous]

What are the rules for NVSL? Who goes to all-stars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the rules for NVSL? Who goes to all-stars?

Top 18 times per event swum at the Divisionals events only.