Dutch goveenment collapses; implications for EU

[Anonymous]

Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

Life there is a lot harder than it used to be, and immigrants don’t assimilate at all, unlike the US. I’m not at all surprised.

[Anonymous]

Most Europeans want to maintain their national identity. Brussels doesn’t like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

Wow. That’s confusing. The country’s left and right are anti immigration? If that’s the case, wouldn’t stricter controls on immigration be easier to implement?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

Wow. That’s confusing. The country’s left and right are anti immigration? If that’s the case, wouldn’t stricter controls on immigration be easier to implement?

DP. No, because of the EU's unpopular open doors policies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

Wow. That’s confusing. The country’s left and right are anti immigration? If that’s the case, wouldn’t stricter controls on immigration be easier to implement?

DP. No, because of the EU's unpopular open doors policies.

So in this case, are the left and right against the EU open (external) border policies?

[Anonymous]

The Dutch benefit from an impression that they're more liberal than they are (Did Diary of Anne Frank have THAT much effect?) but they had (one of?) the worst rate of survival for Jews during WW2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch benefit from an impression that they're more liberal than they are (Did Diary of Anne Frank have THAT much effect?) but they had (one of?) the worst rate of survival for Jews during WW2.

I thought the reputation was more about the red light district in Amsterdam. Other than migration, are the Dutch pro EU?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

Life there is a lot harder than it used to be, and immigrants don’t assimilate at all, unlike the US. I’m not at all surprised.

It's been trying even in the most expansive of societies to have immigration where it feels to citizens that immigrants are taking advantage, not contributing, and not assimilating. I'm no scholar on this but I think in the past the scale has been much smaller, and the pockets of immigrants looked out for their own without government assistance or breaking laws. Then their children assimilated - one generation.

Now perhaps, the scale is larger, the impact is larger, the exposure to their "plight" (we need to help them!) is more expansive, so there is more resentment, more awareness and more triggering. And it's all happening quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

Wow. That’s confusing. The country’s left and right are anti immigration? If that’s the case, wouldn’t stricter controls on immigration be easier to implement?

The party rose to the top because the left and right were in favor of more immigration.

[Anonymous]

What is so troubling to me about immigration is the history of colonialism that we like to ignore. With then end of WW2 Asian previously European colonies that had been occupied by Japan had this crazy nothing that a war for freedom across the globe included them. WW1 and WW2 both led to the west deciding the fate of the Middle East. I'm less educated on Africa. Zimbabwe was still Rhodesia when I took geography in 1967-68. I remember seeing newspaper articles about Belgian nuns murdered in Congo (which would have been 1964, I was in 4th grade spring of 1964). US I think has much more to account for in S America. Not saying that all this history provides a remedy (and who can say what the alternate history would have been?) Assimilation is not a cure-all. If it were Jim Crow and the Tulsa Massacre (and others) would never have happened (in fact, the more black lives looked like white lives, the angrier Southern whites got). Assimilation also takes a long time. It took 32 years for the Lutheran church my great grandparents joined to start having services in English instead of Norwegian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

Wow. That’s confusing. The country’s left and right are anti immigration? If that’s the case, wouldn’t stricter controls on immigration be easier to implement?

DP. No, because of the EU's unpopular open doors policies.

This exactly. The EU is preventing traditional vetting which had previously been in place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this event open the way for the left in the Netherlands? Do the Dutch hold more or less sway in the EU than Poland? Will Gerrts Wilders run for PM or will he fade away now?

The next parliamentary elections in several EU countries will be fascinating to watch over the next few years.

I’ve been shocked at the rise of nationalism in Netherlands. It always seemed so liberal

They had a liberal gay guy named Pim Fortuyn who created his own party, names after extensive marketing research -Pim Fortuyn List, that became a leading party very quickly.
His primary issue was stopping immigration, which he felt would turn Netherlands into something different. He was assassinated by an environmentalist.

Since that time Netherlands has gone from 95% Dutch to around 70% today.
We will see if Geert Wilders is able to run himself and win, or if it will be another case of leading parties getting together to keep out the 'far right'.

Wow. That’s confusing. The country’s left and right are anti immigration? If that’s the case, wouldn’t stricter controls on immigration be easier to implement?

DP. No, because of the EU's unpopular open doors policies.

This exactly. The EU is preventing traditional vetting which had previously been in place.

Of course this refers to non EU countries, as EU countries may freely travel among EU member countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most Europeans want to maintain their national identity. Brussels doesn’t like that.

look at what happened. It is not dutch anymore

Brussels Shock: 88% of Youth Under 20 Are Foreign Origin

What’s happening to Europe is tragic.