Supply vs demand and international students at elite colleges

[Anonymous]

Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

Your writing is awkward, but I get the gist.

Yes, there will be more spots available at elite schools for US citizens under the current administration.

[Anonymous]

All of these elite schools should have doubled enrollment years ago. The extreme selectivity is a turnoff, and is no longer helpful to their brands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of these elite schools should have doubled enrollment years ago. The extreme selectivity is a turnoff, and is no longer helpful to their brands.

The small enrollment is part of its prestige. If Harvard had a 50% acceptance rate in this modern time would it be Harvard? That appeal would be gone for many who go to these schools FOR the eliteness. Harvard has a great international relations/poli sci/government program but so does GWU and Gettysburg. People aren’t clamoring to these schools in droves like Harvard. I don’t agree with the enrollment size but I understand it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

100%
Most of us see that and actually agree that there are too many international students. It doesn't make us fascists.
It just needs to be done in the proper way.
But I do agree with the end goal - a new threshold (lower) for schools that receive ANY federal funding (what that threshold is - not for me to say- whether 5 or 10% of the undergraduate population).

This is a long time coming. Its not necessarily bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

100%
Most of us see that and actually agree that there are too many international students. It doesn't make us fascists.
It just needs to be done in the proper way.
But I do agree with the end goal - a new threshold (lower) for schools that receive ANY federal funding (what that threshold is - not for me to say- whether 5 or 10% of the undergraduate population).

This is a long time coming. Its not necessarily bad.

Is it okay if Cambridge sends back its 750 American students if you get rid of the 250 British students at Harvard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

100%
Most of us see that and actually agree that there are too many international students. It doesn't make us fascists.
It just needs to be done in the proper way.
But I do agree with the end goal - a new threshold (lower) for schools that receive ANY federal funding (what that threshold is - not for me to say- whether 5 or 10% of the undergraduate population).

This is a long time coming. Its not necessarily bad.

Is it okay if Cambridge sends back its 750 American students if you get rid of the 250 British students at Harvard?

Sure. Just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

100%
Most of us see that and actually agree that there are too many international students. It doesn't make us fascists.
It just needs to be done in the proper way.
But I do agree with the end goal - a new threshold (lower) for schools that receive ANY federal funding (what that threshold is - not for me to say- whether 5 or 10% of the undergraduate population).

This is a long time coming. Its not necessarily bad.

Is it okay if Cambridge sends back its 750 American students if you get rid of the 250 British students at Harvard?

If they are good enough for Cambridge there willl be plenty of opportunities for them in America. Why lose our homegrown talent .

[Anonymous]

International demand for American colleges is going to evaporate over the next three years. So yes, it will be considerably easier for American students to gain admittance to selective schools. However, the cost is that the US will give up its pre-eminence as the world's best country for research. And we lose enormous amounts of soft power and prestige. I imagine universities in the UK and Canada will reap the rewards and get the world's best students going forward.

[Anonymous]

Pushing out international kids from admissions is not going to meaningful increase your DC's chances of getting into highly selective schools like Cornell or Harvard. It will, however, diminish your DC's experience at these schools if your kid is admitted though. Your DC will no longer be educated among the world's most intelligent and accomplished students or by the world's most preeminent scholars. Despite recent political efforts to the contrary, we live in a global world and global economy. Going to school with students from other countries will thus give your DC a head start while also maintaining America's position as the worldwide leader in higher education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:International demand for American colleges is going to evaporate over the next three years. So yes, it will be considerably easier for American students to gain admittance to selective schools. However, the cost is that the US will give up its pre-eminence as the world's best country for research. And we lose enormous amounts of soft power and prestige. I imagine universities in the UK and Canada will reap the rewards and get the world's best students going forward.

Oh well.
I’m worried about educating our citizens. Making them the best. First priority is to your own citizens. Give them the chances.
I don’t want that super smart Econ major American kid going to London when he could go to Harvard - given that London spot to the international kid.

[Anonymous]

The national sentiment on this is moving with trump not against him.

As more US citizens realize what the international student numbers look like, expect any domestic opposition to this to fall away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The national sentiment on this is moving with trump not against him.

As more US citizens realize what the international student numbers look like, expect any domestic opposition to this to fall away.

International students account for about 5% of total college students in the US. This doesn’t seem so high. I realise they are not evenly spread across colleges and their numbers are much higher at some of the most elite universities. Is that actually the issue? Would people be okay if 5% of students at each college were international?

By way of comparison, international students account for 21% of all students in Canada, 25% in the UK and 31% in Australia. Of course, the big advantage in those three countries is that they massively cross subsidise domestic students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

100%
Most of us see that and actually agree that there are too many international students. It doesn't make us fascists.
It just needs to be done in the proper way.
But I do agree with the end goal - a new threshold (lower) for schools that receive ANY federal funding (what that threshold is - not for me to say- whether 5 or 10% of the undergraduate population).

This is a long time coming. Its not necessarily bad.

Is it okay if Cambridge sends back its 750 American students if you get rid of the 250 British students at Harvard?

If they are good enough for Cambridge there willl be plenty of opportunities for them in America. Why lose our homegrown talent .

Because it's healthy and interesting to study abroad? Why do we want to keep all our talent stuck in our one country??? It's a big world. New perspectives are more valuable than just living in an American bubble for life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the argument that recruiting intentionally is an important element of American exceptionalism it does increase demand for a seat at Harvard. And while supply is static any increase in demand will increase selectivity and price.

I didn't think a reduction in demand will make Harvard any less selective but it may soften process. If not at Harvard then at whatever schools Harvard will be taking domestic students from. And at some point the selectivity will decrease as well.

Even Cornell is a hard admit these days but if you get rid of all the international students, it may not be the lottery it has turned into.

100%
Most of us see that and actually agree that there are too many international students. It doesn't make us fascists.
It just needs to be done in the proper way.
But I do agree with the end goal - a new threshold (lower) for schools that receive ANY federal funding (what that threshold is - not for me to say- whether 5 or 10% of the undergraduate population).

This is a long time coming. Its not necessarily bad.

Is it okay if Cambridge sends back its 750 American students if you get rid of the 250 British students at Harvard?

If they are good enough for Cambridge there willl be plenty of opportunities for them in America. Why lose our homegrown talent .

Because it's healthy and interesting to study abroad? Why do we want to keep all our talent stuck in our one country??? It's a big world. New perspectives are more valuable than just living in an American bubble for life.

Sure they can do a semester abroad and travel. We want to keep our talent so they can contribute to our nation.