We almost (might have) lost reserve currency status

[Anonymous]

I know we have a lot of tariff threads. I’m shocked more people are not aware or are talking about why Trump reversed course.
His tax cuts!!!

When the markets tanked on Wednesday two crazy things happened, one item was particularly bad.
Normally during market crashes there is a “flight to safety” to US Treasury bonds. That causes rates to go down because there is so much demand.

Instead rates went up, meaning no one wanted US Treasuries because the finance bros didn’t feel the US was safe!

This is something Trump talked a lot about, slowing the economy to refi debt at lower rates….. the exact opposite happened in real time. Rates went by 1% which is massive.

That lack of flight to safety means, the US was no longer the world’s currency.

That also means rates were going to spike and the 1T tax cut would not pass. Meaning Trumps signature legislation would not have passed. I see all the market manipulation threads and posts, but the real story is the failed treasury auction.

That means higher rates for CC and mortgages.

I know people only look at the stock market or sensational stories…. But the real story is the US might have lost our reserve currency status and worst of all our President proved his priorities (tax cuts) and that he was weak…. We might not recover from liberation day.

This should not be a political discussion in a political thread, but it should scare everyone!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know we have a lot of tariff threads. I’m shocked more people are not aware or are talking about why Trump reversed course.
His tax cuts!!!

When the markets tanked on Wednesday two crazy things happened, one item was particularly bad.
Normally during market crashes there is a “flight to safety” to US Treasury bonds. That causes rates to go down because there is so much demand.

Instead rates went up, meaning no one wanted US Treasuries because the finance bros didn’t feel the US was safe!

This is something Trump talked a lot about, slowing the economy to refi debt at lower rates….. the exact opposite happened in real time. Rates went by 1% which is massive.

That lack of flight to safety means, the US was no longer the world’s currency.

That also means rates were going to spike and the 1T tax cut would not pass. Meaning Trumps signature legislation would not have passed. I see all the market manipulation threads and posts, but the real story is the failed treasury auction.

That means higher rates for CC and mortgages.

I know people only look at the stock market or sensational stories…. But the real story is the US might have lost our reserve currency status and worst of all our President proved his priorities (tax cuts) and that he was weak…. We might not recover from liberation day.

This should not be a political discussion in a political thread, but it should scare everyone!

I agree, OP. Trump has really screwed the US

[Anonymous]

Yup. The chaos in the bond market is scary. It means the US will have to offer a LOT more interst to attract buyers due to loss of faith in the stability of the US. The national debt will break the back of the US. Severe austerity will be needed. No more powerful military, because it will absolutely be unaffordable after Trump ruins the dollar.

Ruining the dollar and the federal reserve are part of the vision of people like Curtis Yarvin and p2025. They want to inject crypto into anything. This will make great depression look like a walk in the park.

[Anonymous]

Trump and MAGA are morons. They suck.

[Anonymous]

Amazing that he had to stop implementing his signature economic plan because it was putting such a hole in the global economy that he wouldn’t be able to pass the only bill he’s going to bother to try get through Congress. What a great President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know we have a lot of tariff threads. I’m shocked more people are not aware or are talking about why Trump reversed course.
His tax cuts!!!

When the markets tanked on Wednesday two crazy things happened, one item was particularly bad.
Normally during market crashes there is a “flight to safety” to US Treasury bonds. That causes rates to go down because there is so much demand.

Instead rates went up, meaning no one wanted US Treasuries because the finance bros didn’t feel the US was safe!

This is something Trump talked a lot about, slowing the economy to refi debt at lower rates….. the exact opposite happened in real time. Rates went by 1% which is massive.

That lack of flight to safety means, the US was no longer the world’s currency.

That also means rates were going to spike and the 1T tax cut would not pass. Meaning Trumps signature legislation would not have passed. I see all the market manipulation threads and posts, but the real story is the failed treasury auction.

That means higher rates for CC and mortgages.

I know people only look at the stock market or sensational stories…. But the real story is the US might have lost our reserve currency status and worst of all our President proved his priorities (tax cuts) and that he was weak…. We might not recover from liberation day.

This should not be a political discussion in a political thread, but it should scare everyone!

OP, how do I follow this question at this point? What should I be looking at/for?

[Anonymous]

Look at the FX markets. All the financial news will be about the dollar.

All those people who sold stocks and went to cash... in dollars. Yeesh

[Anonymous]

Are eggs cheaper? Are we great yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know we have a lot of tariff threads. I’m shocked more people are not aware or are talking about why Trump reversed course.
His tax cuts!!!

When the markets tanked on Wednesday two crazy things happened, one item was particularly bad.
Normally during market crashes there is a “flight to safety” to US Treasury bonds. That causes rates to go down because there is so much demand.

Instead rates went up, meaning no one wanted US Treasuries because the finance bros didn’t feel the US was safe!

This is something Trump talked a lot about, slowing the economy to refi debt at lower rates….. the exact opposite happened in real time. Rates went by 1% which is massive.

That lack of flight to safety means, the US was no longer the world’s currency.

That also means rates were going to spike and the 1T tax cut would not pass. Meaning Trumps signature legislation would not have passed. I see all the market manipulation threads and posts, but the real story is the failed treasury auction.

That means higher rates for CC and mortgages.

I know people only look at the stock market or sensational stories…. But the real story is the US might have lost our reserve currency status and worst of all our President proved his priorities (tax cuts) and that he was weak…. We might not recover from liberation day.

This should not be a political discussion in a political thread, but it should scare everyone!

Yup a lot of people are just walking around with their eyes wide shut-this administration is scary. Pay attention-they are trying to distract everyone with the craziness and people are missing the big things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know we have a lot of tariff threads. I’m shocked more people are not aware or are talking about why Trump reversed course.
His tax cuts!!!

When the markets tanked on Wednesday two crazy things happened, one item was particularly bad.
Normally during market crashes there is a “flight to safety” to US Treasury bonds. That causes rates to go down because there is so much demand.

Instead rates went up, meaning no one wanted US Treasuries because the finance bros didn’t feel the US was safe!

This is something Trump talked a lot about, slowing the economy to refi debt at lower rates….. the exact opposite happened in real time. Rates went by 1% which is massive.

That lack of flight to safety means, the US was no longer the world’s currency.

That also means rates were going to spike and the 1T tax cut would not pass. Meaning Trumps signature legislation would not have passed. I see all the market manipulation threads and posts, but the real story is the failed treasury auction.

That means higher rates for CC and mortgages.

I know people only look at the stock market or sensational stories…. But the real story is the US might have lost our reserve currency status and worst of all our President proved his priorities (tax cuts) and that he was weak…. We might not recover from liberation day.

This should not be a political discussion in a political thread, but it should scare everyone!

I agree, OP. Trump has really screwed the US

Revenge

[Anonymous]

So, trying to understand: Trump was fine with the market crashing as long as it was a vehicle to bring rates down, by way of getting people to invest in traditionally safe bonds. (The ultimate goal likely being tax cuts.)

The working assumption was that bonds would never be anything but safe.

But in a sign of how much credibility Trump has lost, bonds were not, in fact, safe — the bond market itself was tanking. So he backed off, sort of, but now we know something important that we hadn’t: The world no longer considers the US a safe place to put any money.

Do I have this right?

[Anonymous]

The house passed the two trillion dollars tax cuts yesterday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, trying to understand: Trump was fine with the market crashing as long as it was a vehicle to bring rates down, by way of getting people to invest in traditionally safe bonds. (The ultimate goal likely being tax cuts.)

The working assumption was that bonds would never be anything but safe.

But in a sign of how much credibility Trump has lost, bonds were not, in fact, safe — the bond market itself was tanking. So he backed off, sort of, but now we know something important that we hadn’t: The world no longer considers the US a safe place to put any money.

Do I have this right?

Yes, that’s right.

I also think that this was part of the conversation Trump had with Mark Carney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are eggs cheaper? Are we great yet?

Nope and nope.

From Reuters yesterday:
By JOSH FUNK and DEE-ANN DURBIN
Updated 5:42 PM EDT, April 10, 2025

U.S. egg prices increased again last month to reach a new record-high of $6.23 per dozen despite President Donald Trump’s predictions, a drop in wholesale prices and no egg farms having bird flu outbreaks.

https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-bird-flu-cpi-b0ded420e9f7c0a707277c9c63396a76

[Anonymous]

Reserve currency was already on the way out. Trump just threw some more fuel on the fire. The real issue was the sanctions we put on Russia and others that lead to a wave of de-dollarizing.