Help Interpreting HOPE

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain what a good HOPE rating is? Received the AAP packet, and I can see the work samples are weak (honestly, are kids even learning anything at school?!), but everything else seems to be fine. I’m just not sure I’m accurately interpreting the HOPE scale, so I’d love some help!

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

The HOPE scale is pretty straight forward. Ideally your kid has more areas marked at the high end of the scale than the low. The number of areas marked for exceptional talent also definitely matters

What part are you unsure of? A more specific question - or the details of the hope - will make it easier for people to give you feedback.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The HOPE scale is pretty straight forward. Ideally your kid has more areas marked at the high end of the scale than the low. The number of areas marked for exceptional talent also definitely matters

What part are you unsure of? A more specific question - or the details of the hope - will make it easier for people to give you feedback.

My question is more: how do I know if my child’s HOPE scale is good? Child has mostly AA. What is average? What is good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The HOPE scale is pretty straight forward. Ideally your kid has more areas marked at the high end of the scale than the low. The number of areas marked for exceptional talent also definitely matters

What part are you unsure of? A more specific question - or the details of the hope - will make it easier for people to give you feedback.

My question is more: how do I know if my child’s HOPE scale is good? Child has mostly AA. What is average? What is good?

lol troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

lol troll

Okay, I’m actually that clueless. High test scores, and mostly AAs on HOPE (but a couple Os and 1 S), but not accepted. I can’t tell if hope was bad, or maybe the work samples were somehow detrimental. Not trolling or belittling anyone. This process makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

lol troll

Okay, I’m actually that clueless. High test scores, and mostly AAs on HOPE (but a couple Os and 1 S), but not accepted. I can’t tell if hope was bad, or maybe the work samples were somehow detrimental. Not trolling or belittling anyone. This process makes no sense to me.

That hope sounds good. We were shown hope samples of kids accepted last year and some of them looked much worse than yours

[Anonymous]

Agree that your hope is good. My child was accepted with a worse one. How many boxes of exceptional talent were checked? If math and reading and writing were checked then that should be good too.

[Anonymous]

Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

That is exactly the case for my child. Strong HOPE with math/reading/writing as exceptional subjects with mid-90th percentile iReadys and low 130 cogat. Still worth appealing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

That is exactly the case for my child. Strong HOPE with math/reading/writing as exceptional subjects with mid-90th percentile iReadys and low 130 cogat. Still worth appealing?

DP but it's always worth appealing. Otherwise you'll be what-iffing over the summer. Unless you really think you won't care and are happy with the process as is, in which case appealing is going to feel like too much work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

My kid was accepted with worse stats last year. That said, I have no idea what the HOPE was. Never requested the packet for any of my kids. Teacher did indicate my child had a strong love of learning at the parent-teacher conference, so I have no reason to believe the HOPE was bad. And I've spent years on this board so I know how to write the parent part of the packet pretty well.

But still - stats aren't all of it. They really do mean holistic admissions, like college does. Though I assume they aren't trying to build the same kind of "well rounded" class full of "pointy" kids like a top college. At least it's not that bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

That is exactly the case for my child. Strong HOPE with math/reading/writing as exceptional subjects with mid-90th percentile iReadys and low 130 cogat. Still worth appealing?

It depends, how important do you think AAP is for your child? Are they doing well at school and seem to be happy in the class they are in? Do they talk about being bored or class moving too slowly or are they ok with the pace of the class? Are there behavioral problems in your child's class or grade that you think AAP might help them get away from?

Appealing is free, it takes your time though. You need to write a letter and present some new information about your child and why you think he needs AAP. If you choose to pay for a WISC you need to find the time for the test and be ok with paying around $500 for it. Is it important enough for you to pay that money and take the few hours that you need to take the test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

My kid was accepted with worse stats last year. That said, I have no idea what the HOPE was. Never requested the packet for any of my kids. Teacher did indicate my child had a strong love of learning at the parent-teacher conference, so I have no reason to believe the HOPE was bad. And I've spent years on this board so I know how to write the parent part of the packet pretty well.

But still - stats aren't all of it. They really do mean holistic admissions, like college does. Though I assume they aren't trying to build the same kind of "well rounded" class full of "pointy" kids like a top college. At least it's not that bad.

As much as some people will post that the pyramid doesn't matter and that there are no seat limits on AAP, the data shows that the pyramid matters and that there are seat limits on AAP. But the table that reviews the packet matters as well so you could have two totally different outcomes bacsed on which group of reviewers reads a child's packet. Part of the Appeal is to get the child's packet infront of a different group of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

My kid was accepted with worse stats last year. That said, I have no idea what the HOPE was. Never requested the packet for any of my kids. Teacher did indicate my child had a strong love of learning at the parent-teacher conference, so I have no reason to believe the HOPE was bad. And I've spent years on this board so I know how to write the parent part of the packet pretty well.

But still - stats aren't all of it. They really do mean holistic admissions, like college does. Though I assume they aren't trying to build the same kind of "well rounded" class full of "pointy" kids like a top college. At least it's not that bad.

As much as some people will post that the pyramid doesn't matter and that there are no seat limits on AAP, the data shows that the pyramid matters and that there are seat limits on AAP. But the table that reviews the packet matters as well so you could have two totally different outcomes bacsed on which group of reviewers reads a child's packet. Part of the Appeal is to get the child's packet infront of a different group of people.

PP here and that's absolutely true. Our pyramid is mid-SES and mid-TJ mania (if you refer to that old map from back in the day). So it's not quite as hard where we are to stand out than it would be in some other parts of the county.

That said, based on everything my AART has ever said I think the work samples and parent stuff is more important than people on this board credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Acceptance is not just about the HOPE scores, what where the iReady and VALLs scores? Some of the good HOPE but not accepted kids have iREadys in the low to mid-90th percentile with CoGATs in the low 130's. I would guess that those kids were borderline for AAP acceptance.

My kid was accepted with worse stats last year. That said, I have no idea what the HOPE was. Never requested the packet for any of my kids. Teacher did indicate my child had a strong love of learning at the parent-teacher conference, so I have no reason to believe the HOPE was bad. And I've spent years on this board so I know how to write the parent part of the packet pretty well.

But still - stats aren't all of it. They really do mean holistic admissions, like college does. Though I assume they aren't trying to build the same kind of "well rounded" class full of "pointy" kids like a top college. At least it's not that bad.

As much as some people will post that the pyramid doesn't matter and that there are no seat limits on AAP, the data shows that the pyramid matters and that there are seat limits on AAP. But the table that reviews the packet matters as well so you could have two totally different outcomes bacsed on which group of reviewers reads a child's packet. Part of the Appeal is to get the child's packet infront of a different group of people.

PP here and that's absolutely true. Our pyramid is mid-SES and mid-TJ mania (if you refer to that old map from back in the day). So it's not quite as hard where we are to stand out than it would be in some other parts of the county.

That said, based on everything my AART has ever said I think the work samples and parent stuff is more important than people on this board credit.

I agree. If nothing else, it shows that the parents care and are working to support their kids' education.