Cogat/WISC and AAP Appeal

[Anonymous]

Hello,
We had applied for full time AAP for our DC who is a 4th grader in FCPS school. DC took Cogat in School and got (in terms of Local Percentile Rank) Verbal 90%, Quant 98%, Nonverbal 91% and Composite 97%. And raw scores of Quant 149, Nonverbal 124, Verbal 122 and composite VQN total of 139. We were wondering if this score is good enough to get in Full time AAP? Is there a cut-off Cogat score for this year in FCPS for 4th graders? If DC doesn’t get accepted, for appealing should DC take WISC and try for better score? Also do iReady scores matter?

DC didn’t have good HOPE rating by the teacher. So wanted to plan ahead to see if WISC needs to be taken or need to focus more on the work samples for appealing. We believe the work samples submitted were good, but we are not sure the chances of acceptance.

Thank you all in advance for your input and feedback!

[Anonymous]

IReady scores do matter as will SOL scores from 3rd grade. Your child's scores seem to indicate Advanced Math and not LIV.

[Anonymous]

Somewhat depends on what other kids at your school are like. That score would likely be IN at our mid-SES school with good work samples and parent commentary, but may well be OUT at a higher SES school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello,
We had applied for full time AAP for our DC who is a 4th grader in FCPS school. DC took Cogat in School and got (in terms of Local Percentile Rank) Verbal 90%, Quant 98%, Nonverbal 91% and Composite 97%. And raw scores of Quant 149, Nonverbal 124, Verbal 122 and composite VQN total of 139. We were wondering if this score is good enough to get in Full time AAP? Is there a cut-off Cogat score for this year in FCPS for 4th graders? If DC doesn’t get accepted, for appealing should DC take WISC and try for better score? Also do iReady scores matter?

DC didn’t have good HOPE rating by the teacher. So wanted to plan ahead to see if WISC needs to be taken or need to focus more on the work samples for appealing. We believe the work samples submitted were good, but we are not sure the chances of acceptance.

Thank you all in advance for your input and feedback!

Since it is "holistic," there isn't an explicit cut-off. 139 VQN is very good, in spite of the lower verbal and nonverbal %. Was there an NNAT score (percentile)? How was the last iReady reading? Third grade report card? If all of those are excellent, you might not need a WISC. However, if they are consistently lower than the math scores, you may want the WISC or just let the chips fall where they may. It might not be ideal to move into AAP in 5th grade anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello,
We had applied for full time AAP for our DC who is a 4th grader in FCPS school. DC took Cogat in School and got (in terms of Local Percentile Rank) Verbal 90%, Quant 98%, Nonverbal 91% and Composite 97%. And raw scores of Quant 149, Nonverbal 124, Verbal 122 and composite VQN total of 139. We were wondering if this score is good enough to get in Full time AAP? Is there a cut-off Cogat score for this year in FCPS for 4th graders? If DC doesn’t get accepted, for appealing should DC take WISC and try for better score? Also do iReady scores matter?

DC didn’t have good HOPE rating by the teacher. So wanted to plan ahead to see if WISC needs to be taken or need to focus more on the work samples for appealing. We believe the work samples submitted were good, but we are not sure the chances of acceptance.

Thank you all in advance for your input and feedback!

Since it is "holistic," there isn't an explicit cut-off. 139 VQN is very good, in spite of the lower verbal and nonverbal %. Was there an NNAT score (percentile)? How was the last iReady reading? Third grade report card? If all of those are excellent, you might not need a WISC. However, if they are consistently lower than the math scores, you may want the WISC or just let the chips fall where they may. It might not be ideal to move into AAP in 5th grade anyway.

Your best bet if you want to get in to AAP would be the WISC. Those cpgat scores are probably not high enough to get in especially without a super stro HOPE rating. Like some others have said, a 97th percentile composite cogat score likely wont get you in pyramids like Langley, McLean or Madison but if you are in a lower SES pyramid you might be okay.

Another vote for considering whether moving into AAP in 5th grade is in your kiddo's best interest. Unless they have already been doing advanced math it may be hard to jump in a year behind everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello,
We had applied for full time AAP for our DC who is a 4th grader in FCPS school. DC took Cogat in School and got (in terms of Local Percentile Rank) Verbal 90%, Quant 98%, Nonverbal 91% and Composite 97%. And raw scores of Quant 149, Nonverbal 124, Verbal 122 and composite VQN total of 139. We were wondering if this score is good enough to get in Full time AAP? Is there a cut-off Cogat score for this year in FCPS for 4th graders? If DC doesn’t get accepted, for appealing should DC take WISC and try for better score? Also do iReady scores matter?

DC didn’t have good HOPE rating by the teacher. So wanted to plan ahead to see if WISC needs to be taken or need to focus more on the work samples for appealing. We believe the work samples submitted were good, but we are not sure the chances of acceptance.

Thank you all in advance for your input and feedback!

Since it is "holistic," there isn't an explicit cut-off. 139 VQN is very good, in spite of the lower verbal and nonverbal %. Was there an NNAT score (percentile)? How was the last iReady reading? Third grade report card? If all of those are excellent, you might not need a WISC. However, if they are consistently lower than the math scores, you may want the WISC or just let the chips fall where they may. It might not be ideal to move into AAP in 5th grade anyway.

Your best bet if you want to get in to AAP would be the WISC. Those cpgat scores are probably not high enough to get in especially without a super stro HOPE rating. Like some others have said, a 97th percentile composite cogat score likely wont get you in pyramids like Langley, McLean or Madison but if you are in a lower SES pyramid you might be okay.

Another vote for considering whether moving into AAP in 5th grade is in your kiddo's best interest. Unless they have already been doing advanced math it may be hard to jump in a year behind everyone else.

I know 2 people who got into AAP in 6 grade and were doing fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello,
We had applied for full time AAP for our DC who is a 4th grader in FCPS school. DC took Cogat in School and got (in terms of Local Percentile Rank) Verbal 90%, Quant 98%, Nonverbal 91% and Composite 97%. And raw scores of Quant 149, Nonverbal 124, Verbal 122 and composite VQN total of 139. We were wondering if this score is good enough to get in Full time AAP? Is there a cut-off Cogat score for this year in FCPS for 4th graders? If DC doesn’t get accepted, for appealing should DC take WISC and try for better score? Also do iReady scores matter?

DC didn’t have good HOPE rating by the teacher. So wanted to plan ahead to see if WISC needs to be taken or need to focus more on the work samples for appealing. We believe the work samples submitted were good, but we are not sure the chances of acceptance.

Thank you all in advance for your input and feedback!

Since it is "holistic," there isn't an explicit cut-off. 139 VQN is very good, in spite of the lower verbal and nonverbal %. Was there an NNAT score (percentile)? How was the last iReady reading? Third grade report card? If all of those are excellent, you might not need a WISC. However, if they are consistently lower than the math scores, you may want the WISC or just let the chips fall where they may. It might not be ideal to move into AAP in 5th grade anyway.

DC is 4th grader and they were only given Cogat. No NNAT. IReady ready was 594, which is 84%. For third grade, DC was in private school and report card were good. They have been improving but not as good as Math.
Are we allowed to retake Cogat? May be this time it may be an improvement and push it little higher. Will that help? Or just try WISC.

[Anonymous]

Even if you were allowed to retake the CoGaT it won’t be until next year which will be too late for this cycle. You can wait for the results and still have time to take the WiSC for the appeal if you need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if you were allowed to retake the CoGaT it won’t be until next year which will be too late for this cycle. You can wait for the results and still have time to take the WiSC for the appeal if you need it.

From what I've heard it's better to schedule it ahead of time as they can't guarantee a spot or scores in time for the appeal deadline, given all the demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you were allowed to retake the CoGaT it won’t be until next year which will be too late for this cycle. You can wait for the results and still have time to take the WiSC for the appeal if you need it.

From what I've heard it's better to schedule it ahead of time as they can't guarantee a spot or scores in time for the appeal deadline, given all the demand.

As long as you call them within a day or two of receiving the decision then you should be fine. GMU is well aware of appeal deadlines. They expect to get many requests for the Wisc right after decisions are sent out and they manage their schedules to make sure they get results to parents in time.

[Anonymous]

They always have spots and their are private places too

[Anonymous]

I’d book it now for soon after expected decision date. You can always cancel if you don’t need it. If you wait to book until after the decision is released, you might get a late testing slot that requires you to write and send the appeal and submit scores later, or rush the write up if you get them close to the deadline. It’s easier to know what you have to show on appeal and how much other support you’ll need (samples or other scores) if you know the scores you’re dealing with.