Biden wants RTO

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

Your leadership is slow. That's all. I am not a RTO booster. I enjoy my WFH status but I don't deny reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Our political appointees are now back 5 days a week and don’t seem happy about it, when we have meetings with them we also have to be in person so it’s starting to pull a lot of us back too.

Exactly. And that's why RTO will not last very long...there are a lot of senior people who actually like WFH, and will be pushing to increase it before long. Sorry, it's never going to go back to the way it was.

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

Your leadership is slow. That's all. I am not a RTO booster. I enjoy my WFH status but I don't deny reality.

Nope, not every agency is RTO in a one-size-fits all.

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My agency isn't making any changes either for BU staff.

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What a dumb Pitbull.

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Anonymous wrote:Our agency is doubling the days in office for management starting in October and have said they will have an announcement for BU employees later this fall. It is happening.

Same. Going from 20% to 50% in office for management next pay period. We expect there will be an announcement for BU employees later as well but of course we don't know specifics.

Honestly, I'm the only supervisory GS-12 in my office and I feel like a schmuck for taking this job when my peers getting paid the same don't have to do it. Oooh well....

[Anonymous]

RTO won’t stick around. More and more leases will expire and companies won’t renew. Something will happen in the news like a war, pandemic, etc and the government will back off RTO. It doesn’t make sense to make people commute into an office for Teams calls.

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

Your leadership is slow. That's all. I am not a RTO booster. I enjoy my WFH status but I don't deny reality.

Nope, not every agency is RTO in a one-size-fits all.

No doubt there will be some differences between agencies, but keep in mind a lot of people have signed telework agreements that go through the end of the fiscal year. While agencies could force them to change now, it is easier just to wait until they need to be renewed. That’s when you’re going to see big changes.

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

Your leadership is slow. That's all. I am not a RTO booster. I enjoy my WFH status but I don't deny reality.

Nope, not every agency is RTO in a one-size-fits all.

No doubt there will be some differences between agencies, but keep in mind a lot of people have signed telework agreements that go through the end of the fiscal year. While agencies could force them to change now, it is easier just to wait until they need to be renewed. That’s when you’re going to see big changes.

Isn't TW in the bargaining agreement for most people? Seems surprising that it wouldn't be and, if so, seems like any RTO push wouldn't happen until those agreements come up for renewal unless they have a reopener provision.

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Anonymous wrote:During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.

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The smart places have since adapted (e.g. creating a daily delivery lunch special within a certain radius) or created in-person draws like wifi, a table with kids toys/puzzles, etc.

Trying to turn back time on telework to save the restaurant industry is the liberal equivalent of the coal industry trying to move us backward regarding energy.

No one is trying to save the restaurant industry. They are trying to save commercial real estate from collapsing all at once. Go look back at the PTO article. If CRE collapses, more banks will fail. The fallout has the potential to be fast and furious and you are very, very naive if you don’t think it will impact you or your 529s.

It’s not the responsibility of federal labor to save the capitalists. Let THEM eat cake!

It IS the job of the federal government to preserve financial stability in the economy. This is the federal government using levers that they have to pull. It is not at all different than agencies choosing where to open field offices in order to boost the economy in that area. It has been happening for 100 years.

Except now federal laborers have the upper hand. RTO for government workers simply isn’t going to happen to any significant extent. As for what private companies do I could care less. Let private industry save CRE.

Do you really think you have the upper hand? At my agency, we have may too many retirement eligible employees that management needs to get rid of. The employees fighting tooth and nail against RTO are far from our best, and probably, sadly, won’t get other jobs as easily as we think. And we still get tons of applicants for every spot that are heads and tails above those that are stubbornly refusing RTO 2-3 days a week. For some agencies this is a blessing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

It’s not just about CRE, although I find that compelling, it’s also that lots of managers and leaders think people work better when they are physically present together. I don’t think all of these business leaders are bringing their teams back to an office because they care about the larger real estate market, they think it’s good for their bottom lien. Federal workers are not so different.

It’s both how leaders think employees work best and overall economic impacts.

Yes, business leaders are talking. Private industry need banks to lend them money to grow and invest in new opportunities. If banks make that harder because of interest rates and the looming issues of CRE defaults, that is a major, major issue across many industries. One sector failing can tank many other, tangentially connected sectors. See: every other banking crisis. The soft landing is happening because the CRE market has not collapsed and kicked things into overdrive. But don’t think that can’t changed and that those at the highest levels aren’t considering that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

No one here is saying WFH isn’t a thing. It’s that a lot of folks are going to go from zero days in the office to 2-3 days.

And it’s not happening for you yet. At my agency the announcement came out of nowhere. Unless you are at the highest levels making these decisions you really have no clue and sound very naive.

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

Your leadership is slow. That's all. I am not a RTO booster. I enjoy my WFH status but I don't deny reality.

Nope, not every agency is RTO in a one-size-fits all.

No doubt there will be some differences between agencies, but keep in mind a lot of people have signed telework agreements that go through the end of the fiscal year. While agencies could force them to change now, it is easier just to wait until they need to be renewed. That’s when you’re going to see big changes.

Isn't TW in the bargaining agreement for most people? Seems surprising that it wouldn't be and, if so, seems like any RTO push wouldn't happen until those agreements come up for renewal unless they have a reopener provision.

At most fin reg agencies, the TW portion of the bargaining agreement has a separate time line from the remainder of the agreement. For my agency, it was 18 months (ending in 2023) whereas the rest of the agreement runs 3 years.

All those agencies try to keep a close lock step with their agreements.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

No one here is saying WFH isn’t a thing. It’s that a lot of folks are going to go from zero days in the office to 2-3 days.

And it’s not happening for you yet. At my agency the announcement came out of nowhere. Unless you are at the highest levels making these decisions you really have no clue and sound very naive.

I think that PP must be a newbie Fed who doesn't understand how govt really works.

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).

I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.

And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.

Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.

We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?

We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.

Your leadership is slow. That's all. I am not a RTO booster. I enjoy my WFH status but I don't deny reality.

Nope, not every agency is RTO in a one-size-fits all.

No doubt there will be some differences between agencies, but keep in mind a lot of people have signed telework agreements that go through the end of the fiscal year. While agencies could force them to change now, it is easier just to wait until they need to be renewed. That’s when you’re going to see big changes.

Isn't TW in the bargaining agreement for most people? Seems surprising that it wouldn't be and, if so, seems like any RTO push wouldn't happen until those agreements come up for renewal unless they have a reopener provision.

How many feds in professional, or even office jobs are covered by a collective bargaining agreement? At my agency only police/fire and facilities employees are unionized, and the vast majority of them obviously can’t telework.

Honestly, I don’t see how telework could be part of a collective bargaining agreement, given some jobs and assignments aren’t conducive to it. It seems like you’d to water the language down to the point that it wouldn’t commit management to anything.