Two Rivers board meeting highlights

[Anonymous]

First, kudos to Two Rivers for timely posting of their board meeting minutes and including real information. It's a real shame that the PCSB doesn't enforce this rule, especially now when parents are making lottery decisions.

Second, enrollment continues to be an issue, flowing through to funding.

"[E]nrollment audit update that the Office of State Superintendent of Education notified Two Rivers of 28 student resident verifications were insufficient, of which Two Rivers is actively appealing 22. The audited enrollment of 994 left Two Rivers with a change in per pupil funding of -774k. $50k in contingency has been released, 4 vacant positions are placed on hold, and other cost saving measures are being taken."

"Beginning of Year MAP Assessment data shared ELA growth of 54% and Math growth of 41%." I'm not really sure what that means.

[Anonymous]

Wow, the fact they aren't even appealing 6 of the 28 kids means they know they live out of the district. 2R is playing fast and loose and could absolutely get burned on that.

The MAP growth percentages don't make a ton of sense unless it's the percentage of kids who grew in terms of percentiles? (For overall growth that would be horrendous, but for individual student growth in individual terms it would be impossibly good... so that's how I arrived at my guess of what it could mean, which would be good news.)

[Anonymous]

Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

That's so interesting. Do you think processes are different between DCPS and Charters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

Ok but 28 out of nearly 1000 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

Ok but 28 out of nearly 1000 kids.

Look at the audit for last year. There are only a handful of schools with a number as big as 6 as their audit discrepancy, which is TR's minimum possible figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

That's so interesting. Do you think processes are different between DCPS and Charters?

No. They're identical.

[Anonymous]

DCPS requires schools to challenge all students with insufficient residency verification.

[Anonymous]

Where do u find this info for DCPS and charters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do u find this info for DCPS and charters?

OSSE enrollment audit website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

Your local school is ONE school while Two Rivers is THREE. *Just to put it in perspective* Man you people are so snide about things you know nothing about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

Your local school is ONE school while Two Rivers is THREE. *Just to put it in perspective* Man you people are so snide about things you know nothing about.

Ok.... 28 is still more than 2 times 3.

Can't you see the flashing lights here? Two Rivers is in serious trouble. It has been for years. It's getting worse and worse. What's the plan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that's a huge number being challenged and they're admitting 6 are straight up non-residents. I'm sure some of the 28 are genuinely residents with tricky situations (divorce parents, kid lives part of the time with relatives, housing insecurity issues) but would be surprised if it's 22. Usually those situations get addressed in the review process and OSSE tends to be generous with at risk kids where if they can identify any valid residence in the District, it's okay (like even if it's the grandparents residence as long as they can show the child lives with the grandparents at least some of the time). If 28 students failed to pass that review it's a significant issue.

Well, no. They're not contesting 6 but it could be that the kid is no longer enrolled. Similarly, 22 residencies "insufficient" doesn't necessarily mean the kid is not in DC. It means the paperwork is insufficient to establish residency. Sloppy work? Yes. Pink flag? Yes. 22 out of state kids? Maybe, maybe not.

You are so focused on the trees, you're missing the forest. The number of kids in this bucket at my DCPS ES less than a mile from TR was... 2. And the school is challenging both. Just want to put that 28 number in perspective.

Your local school is ONE school while Two Rivers is THREE. *Just to put it in perspective* Man you people are so snide about things you know nothing about.

My local school is more than half the size of TR enrollment-wise. So let's double it to... 4. You're intentionally burying you're head in the sand. Look at last year's OSSE report. 6 would be enough to be an outlier. If it's really anything close to 28? The highest in the district last year.

28 with insufficient paperwork means they are intentionally ignoring the rules. I would bet it's in TRY near the MD border and deliberate sloppiness related to the fact they couldn't fill. Other schools have gone down this path. It usually ends with the principal being ousted.