Full-Time AAP Principal Placed Question

[Anonymous]

If anyone knows the answer or has experience with my question, your response would be greatly appreciated.

If a student is Principal placed in a full-time AAP class, when do you find out if the student will continue in the full-time AAP class for the following year? Will parents be notified of the continuation or discontinuation? If so, does the notification happen at the end of the school year or the beginning? Is there an assessment that a student takes to determine continuation? We were notified two weeks before school started that our child would be placed in the full-time AAP class, but now we're wondering if my child will continue in the full-time class or be placed in the general education class.

[Anonymous]

It seems to be school dependent. It has to do with the amount of committee placed students for that school year and schools won’t know this until certain dates/ start of the year.

[Anonymous]

It is determined on a yearly basis. If someone new to the school or from gen ed applies for full time status, they can bump someone if the class is otherwise "full" the following year. You should apply with the central committe if you want permanent placement. Being able to do well in the AAP classroom is a good argument for continued placement.

[Anonymous]

2 weeks before the start of next year. They can’t promise anything now. If students move in/out of boundaries or from the center to the base or the reverse, class sizes could change significantly. If the class was 10 LIV and 20 LIII who were principal placed you’ll probably continue with the spot, but if it was only 5 principal placed, who knows. They will try to balance all 4th grade classes to the best of their ability.

If you want to stay, apply for consideration in LIV with the county this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2 weeks before the start of next year. They can’t promise anything now. If students move in/out of boundaries or from the center to the base or the reverse, class sizes could change significantly. If the class was 10 LIV and 20 LIII who were principal placed you’ll probably continue with the spot, but if it was only 5 principal placed, who knows. They will try to balance all 4th grade classes to the best of their ability.

If you want to stay, apply for consideration in LIV with the county this year.

+1. The fact that she was principal placed should help the case. I personally would be very anxious about my child being moved in and out of AAP asn that could bring about a lot of disruption for the child, socially and academically. Good luck, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 weeks before the start of next year. They can’t promise anything now. If students move in/out of boundaries or from the center to the base or the reverse, class sizes could change significantly. If the class was 10 LIV and 20 LIII who were principal placed you’ll probably continue with the spot, but if it was only 5 principal placed, who knows. They will try to balance all 4th grade classes to the best of their ability.

If you want to stay, apply for consideration in LIV with the county this year.

+1. The fact that she was principal placed should help the case. I personally would be very anxious about my child being moved in and out of AAP asn that could bring about a lot of disruption for the child, socially and academically. Good luck, OP.

So, are you saying that being in the full-time AAP class will strengthen the student's application? I have also observed a few students of PTO parents in my child's class, but I'm unsure about the type of placement they have.

[Anonymous]

You'll find out when everyone else finds out who their teacher is- a few weeks before school starts. It will depend on the makeup of the grade and how many seats are available in each class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 weeks before the start of next year. They can’t promise anything now. If students move in/out of boundaries or from the center to the base or the reverse, class sizes could change significantly. If the class was 10 LIV and 20 LIII who were principal placed you’ll probably continue with the spot, but if it was only 5 principal placed, who knows. They will try to balance all 4th grade classes to the best of their ability.

If you want to stay, apply for consideration in LIV with the county this year.

+1. The fact that she was principal placed should help the case. I personally would be very anxious about my child being moved in and out of AAP asn that could bring about a lot of disruption for the child, socially and academically. Good luck, OP.

So, are you saying that being in the full-time AAP class will strengthen the student's application? I have also observed a few students of PTO parents in my child's class, but I'm unsure about the type of placement they have.

It shows the child is capable of handling the materials - assuming they're performing well?

Again, as other posters said, LLIV placement though is entirely school dependent and not guaranteed. Our LLIV program does tend to have some small movements in it year-to-year. I've been told from other parents whose children have moved into the classroom that they thought their high iReady and SOL testing results were taken into account - It all seems rather cut-throat and I'm thankful we don't need to worry about that.

It's likely PTO parents children may be in the IV program already, as I would (generally) correlate high parent involvement with high student performance, particularly at the lower grades. However, your hinting that they're currying favor is not without merit anecdotally on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 weeks before the start of next year. They can’t promise anything now. If students move in/out of boundaries or from the center to the base or the reverse, class sizes could change significantly. If the class was 10 LIV and 20 LIII who were principal placed you’ll probably continue with the spot, but if it was only 5 principal placed, who knows. They will try to balance all 4th grade classes to the best of their ability.

If you want to stay, apply for consideration in LIV with the county this year.

+1. The fact that she was principal placed should help the case. I personally would be very anxious about my child being moved in and out of AAP asn that could bring about a lot of disruption for the child, socially and academically. Good luck, OP.

So, are you saying that being in the full-time AAP class will strengthen the student's application? I have also observed a few students of PTO parents in my child's class, but I'm unsure about the type of placement they have.

It shows the child is capable of handling the materials - assuming they're performing well?

Again, as other posters said, LLIV placement though is entirely school dependent and not guaranteed. Our LLIV program does tend to have some small movements in it year-to-year. I've been told from other parents whose children have moved into the classroom that they thought their high iReady and SOL testing results were taken into account - It all seems rather cut-throat and I'm thankful we don't need to worry about that.

It's likely PTO parents children may be in the IV program already, as I would (generally) correlate high parent involvement with high student performance, particularly at the lower grades. However, your hinting that they're currying favor is not without merit anecdotally on this forum.

DP and it's tough to say if those currying favor stories are real because parents may be simply perceiving that it works when really the kid is decently high achieving because they have an involved parent who helps them do well (not just kisses up to teacher/principal). Also even if it really is a thing, it's only a thing at some schools. Anecdotally at our school the PTA moms often got the worst teachers for their kids for some reason - even when they filled out the forms specifically saying their kid wouldn't do well with that sort of teacher, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You'll find out when everyone else finds out who their teacher is- a few weeks before school starts. It will depend on the makeup of the grade and how many seats are available in each class.

You need to giver permission for the placement on an annual basis, usually some time over the summer. If you don't get the letter, you aren't getting placed for that year

[Anonymous]

How are students decided if they should be principal placed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are students decided if they should be principal placed?

This will vary by school. I don't think there's any set criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are students decided if they should be principal placed?

Subjectively on the whims of the school/Principal? Some principals try to be more fair and choose iReady/SOL test scores or AART recommendations. Others might favor students whose parents who participate in PTA. Others may acquiesce to parents who harass them over and over asking for placement to get them off their back. Others may secretly relish not placing children who's parents annoy them.

It depends. Only way to find out is to ask the AART, rather than a bunch of strangers on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are students decided if they should be principal placed?

Subjectively on the whims of the school/Principal? Some principals try to be more fair and choose iReady/SOL test scores or AART recommendations. Others might favor students whose parents who participate in PTA. Others may acquiesce to parents who harass them over and over asking for placement to get them off their back. Others may secretly relish not placing children who's parents annoy them.

It depends. Only way to find out is to ask the AART, rather than a bunch of strangers on the internet.

AMEN!!!! You nailed it.