Two Jews (Peter Beinart and Jon Stewart) discuss Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Israel was a democracy. “The only democracy in the Middle East.”

Why is it now, “Netanyahu this and Netanyahu that.”

What happened to the democracy?

Israel was never a democracy. When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy. We've been told a LOT of lies about Israel.

Ok you have spoken. Everyone with a mouth can utter something. What are we supposed to do with this? This isn't facts or information, just a perspective. There are billions of perspectives in the world about everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, but don’t you realize how difficult it is for your typical Jew in the DMV who adheres to Reform Judaism to come to terms with this?

Admittedly, I am not a Jew, but how in the world is it hard to come to terms with starving and murdering 20,000 children?????

The movement of Reform Judaism relaxed the strict rules of the religion to make it more harmounious with modern life.

Reform leaders also embraced Zionism and unequivocal support for Israel including immigration, study and cultural engagement. Many say Zionism replaced religious practice with state veneration.

Your perspective...how much is it worth...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Israel was a democracy. “The only democracy in the Middle East.”

Why is it now, “Netanyahu this and Netanyahu that.”

What happened to the democracy?

Israel was never a democracy. When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy. We've been told a LOT of lies about Israel.

Ok you have spoken. Everyone with a mouth can utter something. What are we supposed to do with this? This isn't facts or information, just a perspective. There are billions of perspectives in the world about everything.

Nope - it's a fact. Israel has different rules for different people. It's widely known, and not an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Israel was a democracy. “The only democracy in the Middle East.”

Why is it now, “Netanyahu this and Netanyahu that.”

What happened to the democracy?

Israel was never a democracy. When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy. We've been told a LOT of lies about Israel.

Ok you have spoken. Everyone with a mouth can utter something. What are we supposed to do with this? This isn't facts or information, just a perspective. There are billions of perspectives in the world about everything.

Nope - it's a fact. Israel has different rules for different people. It's widely known, and not an opinion.

Having different rules for different people is different than what you said earlier, so two different topics at hand now.

Countries having different rules for different people--many sure do. Such as Saudi Arabia

When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy.--Logical fallacy here. The definition of the word democracy isn't "place in which all have same privileges".

Yes, you are emotional about this topic. But emotion isn't power, meaning your emotion controls what I must think. Also, your emotion, even if so so strong, can't overpower logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Israel was a democracy. “The only democracy in the Middle East.”

Why is it now, “Netanyahu this and Netanyahu that.”

What happened to the democracy?

Israel was never a democracy. When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy. We've been told a LOT of lies about Israel.

Ok you have spoken. Everyone with a mouth can utter something. What are we supposed to do with this? This isn't facts or information, just a perspective. There are billions of perspectives in the world about everything.

Nope - it's a fact. Israel has different rules for different people. It's widely known, and not an opinion.

Having different rules for different people is different than what you said earlier, so two different topics at hand now.

Countries having different rules for different people--many sure do. Such as Saudi Arabia

When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy.--Logical fallacy here. The definition of the word democracy isn't "place in which all have same privileges".

Yes, you are emotional about this topic. But emotion isn't power, meaning your emotion controls what I must think. Also, your emotion, even if so so strong, can't overpower logic.

DP, but the question was if Israel is a democracy, and that pp stated why they think it isnt. You comparing them to Saudi Arabia does not negate that. It sounds like you are agreeing with pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Israel was a democracy. “The only democracy in the Middle East.”

Why is it now, “Netanyahu this and Netanyahu that.”

What happened to the democracy?

Israel was never a democracy. When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy. We've been told a LOT of lies about Israel.

Ok you have spoken. Everyone with a mouth can utter something. What are we supposed to do with this? This isn't facts or information, just a perspective. There are billions of perspectives in the world about everything.

Nope - it's a fact. Israel has different rules for different people. It's widely known, and not an opinion.

Having different rules for different people is different than what you said earlier, so two different topics at hand now.

Countries having different rules for different people--many sure do. Such as Saudi Arabia

When you allow privileges to some but not others, that's not a democracy.--Logical fallacy here. The definition of the word democracy isn't "place in which all have same privileges".

Yes, you are emotional about this topic. But emotion isn't power, meaning your emotion controls what I must think. Also, your emotion, even if so so strong, can't overpower logic.

You're 1000% correct - Israel is much more like Saudi Arabia, than a democracy.

[Anonymous]

Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, but don’t you realize how difficult it is for your typical Jew in the DMV who adheres to Reform Judaism to come to terms with this?

Admittedly, I am not a Jew, but how in the world is it hard to come to terms with starving and murdering 20,000 children?????

The movement of Reform Judaism relaxed the strict rules of the religion to make it more harmounious with modern life.

Reform leaders also embraced Zionism and unequivocal support for Israel including immigration, study and cultural engagement. Many say Zionism replaced religious practice with state veneration.

"Many say" the Earth is flat, many say 9/11 didn't happen, and so on and so on.

Zionism seeks a homeland for Jews, a group historically defined by a religious identity,Judaism.To say it "replaces" religion implies that it is separate from or contrary to religion, yet it is built on the foundation of that very religious identity.

So what you say doesn't make sense. Even if you passionately want it to make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Yes, countries with intelligence apparatus, they can have reporting that an attack of some sort can occur, doesn't mean they can prevent attack in every instance.

Hamas is govt of Gaza. Israel treat Hamas like leaders of a govt till it committed the betrayal of a terrorist attack on 10/7.

Hence the war that started the day after. Which isn't going to stop because keyboard warriors are just so so mad!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Is the theory that he
a) knew about the coming attack
b) told IDF to stand down
so
c) the attack would happen
and
d) start a war
to
e) keep Netanyahu in power for longer?

Makes sense to me...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Is the theory that he
a) knew about the coming attack
b) told IDF to stand down
so
c) the attack would happen
and
d) start a war
to
e) keep Netanyahu in power for longer?

Makes sense to me...

This isn't a theory, its a story. Here's another story. Hamas is letting Gazans be killed so they can play the long game spending years calling Israel a genocide, to sucker the world into joining together to destroy Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Is the theory that he
a) knew about the coming attack
b) told IDF to stand down
so
c) the attack would happen
and
d) start a war
to
e) keep Netanyahu in power for longer?

Makes sense to me...

This isn't a theory, its a story. Here's another story. Hamas is letting Gazans be killed so they can play the long game spending years calling Israel a genocide, to sucker the world into joining together to destroy Israel

Why would hamas be trying to broker an end to the war by giving up the hostages then? Why would Israel say no? It sounds pretty spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Is the theory that he
a) knew about the coming attack
b) told IDF to stand down
so
c) the attack would happen
and
d) start a war
to
e) keep Netanyahu in power for longer?

Makes sense to me...

This isn't a theory, its a story. Here's another story. Hamas is letting Gazans be killed so they can play the long game spending years calling Israel a genocide, to sucker the world into joining together to destroy Israel

All the facts disagee with you.

So are you:

1) a troll
2) a liar/zionist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Is the theory that he
a) knew about the coming attack
b) told IDF to stand down
so
c) the attack would happen
and
d) start a war
to
e) keep Netanyahu in power for longer?

Makes sense to me...

This isn't a theory, its a story. Here's another story. Hamas is letting Gazans be killed so they can play the long game spending years calling Israel a genocide, to sucker the world into joining together to destroy Israel

It’s mendacious to compare the Israeli Army to Hamas.

Israel is a sovereign nation and one of the few in the world with a nuclear arsenal. Hamas is a ragtag militia of the people of Gaza that have no sovereign rights.

Hamas does not control the borders of Gaza, nor their water, or their food. Israel controls it all. To compare the powerful Israeli Army that is backed by the US to the hilt to these irregulars is deceitful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli soldier testified to Israeli Knesset that on October 7th 2023, the day of the Hamas attacks, troops were unexpectedly ordered to cancel all border patrols and stand down between 5:20 am and 9:00 a.m.

Several IDF soldiers have come out saying they needed answers on why their brigades were told stand down on the most heavily gaurded border in the world on the day of the Oct. 7th attack. Michael Flynn appeared on Steve Bannon's show and commented on the investigation of why the IDF was told to stand down and its slow response while the attack was occuring.

Prior to Oct. 7, Benjamin Netanyahu was facing a crumbling party coalition and a divided goverment and nation at the time that was at risk of dissolving.

Citation:

IDF has prior knowledge of an attack.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-1...de-af9e-6ffbdf700000


Netanyahu funded Hamas for Decades
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netan...own-up-in-our-faces/

Is the theory that he
a) knew about the coming attack
b) told IDF to stand down
so
c) the attack would happen
and
d) start a war
to
e) keep Netanyahu in power for longer?

Makes sense to me...

This isn't a theory, its a story. Here's another story. Hamas is letting Gazans be killed so they can play the long game spending years calling Israel a genocide, to sucker the world into joining together to destroy Israel

Why would hamas be trying to broker an end to the war by giving up the hostages then? Why would Israel say no? It sounds pretty spot on.

Hamas doesn't actually need Israel to say yes to release the hostages. They could just let them go at any time. They could NOT starve them and force them to dig their own graves on camera.