Has anyone gotten into AAP after 2nd grade (3rd - 6th) WITHOUT work samples?

[Anonymous]

I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

[Anonymous]

The school will submit work samples, no need to submit your own.

My current 6th grader got into AAP last year and I only filled out the one page parent referral form. His teacher and the AART included high quality work samples from school.

[Anonymous]

Why is your child not in level III? Depending on your school 130’s may not be competitive.
My child got in from 3 rd grade but was level III all subjects , the work samples were so much easier to obtain. They did power point presentations and we printed those. Do work samples and write a great referral with how well they are doing now.

[Anonymous]

Do not count on a good HOPE score , it may be great but do what you can on your end. It seems harder to get in and do well later. Is your child in advanced math as indicated in the math section of the report card? It’s not called level II. If your school does not have advanced math until later grades you should write that to the committee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

At our center several kids were principal placed into AAP in 4th due to class size issues. Some caught up well even without push-in advanced math in 3rd (which was implemented two years after the principal placing started). Some did not. OP probably knows her own kid and knows how well they will handle a jump.

Plus now 3rd grade advanced math is just extensions to the gen ed curriculum instead of doing half of 4th grade math (thanks E3 Math!), so it's not the jump it used to be. 5th will be the big intense year, like the schools that didn't have advanced math until 5th have always been.

[Anonymous]

We appealed when my daughter didn't get in in second and didn't include work samples. This was at the urging of the AART, and was in 2021, so she hadn't taken the CoGAT. We appealed with her iReady (which wasn't considered at the time,) and she was accepted. I have no idea if the school included work samples with our appeal.

She was in the advanced classes at school anyway, because she was way ahead, but we wanted the official designation in case we needed to move.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

At our center several kids were principal placed into AAP in 4th due to class size issues. Some caught up well even without push-in advanced math in 3rd (which was implemented two years after the principal placing started). Some did not. OP probably knows her own kid and knows how well they will handle a jump.

Plus now 3rd grade advanced math is just extensions to the gen ed curriculum instead of doing half of 4th grade math (thanks E3 Math!), so it's not the jump it used to be. 5th will be the big intense year, like the schools that didn't have advanced math until 5th have always been.

No they weren’t. They reapplied and got in. Center schools don’t have principal placement and no principal is risking their job to do that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

At our center several kids were principal placed into AAP in 4th due to class size issues. Some caught up well even without push-in advanced math in 3rd (which was implemented two years after the principal placing started). Some did not. OP probably knows her own kid and knows how well they will handle a jump.

Plus now 3rd grade advanced math is just extensions to the gen ed curriculum instead of doing half of 4th grade math (thanks E3 Math!), so it's not the jump it used to be. 5th will be the big intense year, like the schools that didn't have advanced math until 5th have always been.

No they weren’t. They reapplied and got in. Center schools don’t have principal placement and no principal is risking their job to do that.

Some Centers do. I am not sure why this has to be repeated. Very few schools follow FCPS policies when it comes to AAP. There are people who have posted on this site about their kids being Principal Placed at a Center school. It isn't suppose to happen but it does,

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

At our center several kids were principal placed into AAP in 4th due to class size issues. Some caught up well even without push-in advanced math in 3rd (which was implemented two years after the principal placing started). Some did not. OP probably knows her own kid and knows how well they will handle a jump.

Plus now 3rd grade advanced math is just extensions to the gen ed curriculum instead of doing half of 4th grade math (thanks E3 Math!), so it's not the jump it used to be. 5th will be the big intense year, like the schools that didn't have advanced math until 5th have always been.

No they weren’t. They reapplied and got in. Center schools don’t have principal placement and no principal is risking their job to do that.

Some Centers do. I am not sure why this has to be repeated. Very few schools follow FCPS policies when it comes to AAP. There are people who have posted on this site about their kids being Principal Placed at a Center school. It isn't suppose to happen but it does,

Original poster who talked about principal placing and PP is not me. The parents of these kids were close friends and told me it was principal placement. They did not reapply and some never applied in the first place! We had issues with a big full-time AAP class followed by 2 small ones followed by another big one and I assume they didn't want to keep moving teachers around, so they principal placed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

NP but I thought advanced math didn't start until 4th?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

NP but I thought advanced math didn't start until 4th?

It starts in 3rd - at least at AAP centers - but as of this year is just extensions to the regular curriculum (in prior years it would take kids through part of the 4th grade curriculum). Not sure if next year the current 3rd graders will only have extensions also. That's what they piloted in E3 math. That would leave "real" advanced math that actually goes faster starting in 5th grade for the current 3rd graders and younger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

NP but I thought advanced math didn't start until 4th?

It starts in 3rd - at least at AAP centers - but as of this year is just extensions to the regular curriculum (in prior years it would take kids through part of the 4th grade curriculum). Not sure if next year the current 3rd graders will only have extensions also. That's what they piloted in E3 math. That would leave "real" advanced math that actually goes faster starting in 5th grade for the current 3rd graders and younger.

According to our Center the "extensions" are still equivalent to roughly 1/2 of 4th grade math, and next year they'll cover most of 5th.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think my child was judged unfairly last year with a poor HOPE rating by an inexperienced teacher but good test scores (130+ on both NNAT and COGAT). We sent in some work samples last year, but don't really have anything to submit this year and honestly I think my child's grades and scores should be good enough to get in to AAP (mostly 4s, all 4s in math and great iReady scores). Do I REALLY need to submit work samples? Has anyone here had their child get in with good test scores, good HOPE rating, and no work samples? This year's teacher really likes my child and our child is in Level II for math.

If your child isn't in the advanced math class, they're behind other current AAP students and its harder to catch up (and justify their inclusion). Most of the later grade add-ins are LLIV students, or at least ones that have been placed in the AAP classroom for math.

130+ isnt very specific. 131 is less than 99%. 139, and your child was passed over and you should be pissed. Lower 130's is good enough to not be the reason for rejection, but likely will require justifications and rationale for inclusion, especially since they were passed over the first time. Focus on why their needs are not being met in General Classroom, and how it's holding them back; not why they're deserving, or how smart they are...

NP but I thought advanced math didn't start until 4th?

It starts in 3rd - at least at AAP centers - but as of this year is just extensions to the regular curriculum (in prior years it would take kids through part of the 4th grade curriculum). Not sure if next year the current 3rd graders will only have extensions also. That's what they piloted in E3 math. That would leave "real" advanced math that actually goes faster starting in 5th grade for the current 3rd graders and younger.

According to our Center the "extensions" are still equivalent to roughly 1/2 of 4th grade math, and next year they'll cover most of 5th.

That's interesting, because there was a thread on here stating exactly the opposite with before and after pacing guides from last year and this year. Would not surprise me if some teachers/schools are going rogue, since this is FCPS, but here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/1226968.page#28331524

[Anonymous]

Yes, not great NNAT or cogat. No parent work samples. Perfect SoLs were the basis of the application and it worked