Qualifying Period - why with IMX?

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

[Anonymous]

I would say it's because of the prescribed events. It gets swimmers time to get them all in while still making choices across the season to qualify for and participate in their championship meets in their best events.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

Is this accurate? I thought you had to swim as your age on day one of meet, which means you have to have achieved all of the event points for that new age within the current or prior season.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

The linked thread was asking about regular meets with cut times. And yes, as stated in that thread, you need the cuts for your age on day 1 of meet.

This thread is asking about a very specific meet called IMX. This meet is a whole different beast and is about more than just cut times in individual events. (Although I think the age on day 1 rule still applies.)

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

I get that. But does that mean a 13 year old could be competing against a 12 year old? Or, are you saying that a 13 year old that got an age 12 IMX score at 12 could compete but would have to swim the 13 year old events against other 13 year olds? (I thought neither were true. I thought you had to get the point total for age at meet)

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

I get that. But does that mean a 13 year old could be competing against a 12 year old? Or, are you saying that a 13 year old that got an age 12 IMX score at 12 could compete but would have to swim the 13 year old events against other 13 year olds? (I thought neither were true. I thought you had to get the point total for age at meet)

https://www.pvswim.org/2324meet/24-52-ma.pdf

I stand corrected. OP is correct that you are eligible to swim if you got the power point total for your previous age but would swim new age if age up before, even if you don’t have the points for that slate of events. Curious if this is always true, or IMX meet specific rules.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

The power points also change as you age up. The power points you earned as an 11 year old in say the 100 fly are different than the points you would get for that same time as a 12 year old.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

The power points also change as you age up. The power points you earned as an 11 year old in say the 100 fly are different than the points you would get for that same time as a 12 year old.

True -but if you qualify at 11 you can swim at 12. If you qualify at 12 you can swim at 13, even though you have to swim different events. So you could have never swam the 400IM and now swim it at IMX. That is silly.

[Anonymous]

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

I get that. But does that mean a 13 year old could be competing against a 12 year old? Or, are you saying that a 13 year old that got an age 12 IMX score at 12 could compete but would have to swim the 13 year old events against other 13 year olds? (I thought neither were true. I thought you had to get the point total for age at meet)

https://www.pvswim.org/2324meet/24-52-ma.pdf

I stand corrected. OP is correct that you are eligible to swim if you got the power point total for your previous age but would swim new age if age up before, even if you don’t have the points for that slate of events. Curious if this is always true, or IMX meet specific rules.

It's an IMX meet thing. I only know of this specific meet, but a meet host could do a meet with these qualifying standards if they wanted to, but it would be very atypical. I have seen meets scored with power points instead of times, but that is very rare too.

Meets generally are open (no time standards) or have qualifying times. Those with QTs are always (in my experience) aligned with age at meet. For example, NCSA age group cuts are single age standards with bottom of the age group 9/11/13 being lower standard than top of age group. There are some funny instances where a cut is slower for an older kid at the bottom of their age group than a younger kid at the top of their age group. For example, at 12, my daughter had the 13y cut for an event, but not the 12y cut. She did not qualify and didn't swim the meet. This was several years ago, not sure if there are still any of these cases.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

The power points also change as you age up. The power points you earned as an 11 year old in say the 100 fly are different than the points you would get for that same time as a 12 year old.

True -but if you qualify at 11 you can swim at 12. If you qualify at 12 you can swim at 13, even though you have to swim different events. So you could have never swam the 400IM and now swim it at IMX. That is silly.

This can happen, but hopefully a coach wouldn't put a kid in that position, especially 4IM. Our group didn't take kids to IMX at 13-14, but I do have a January birthday swimmer who would have qualified in 10yo events throughout the fall (or previous LC season) and then participated in IMX as an 11yo. The nice thing is with the extended qualifying period, what really happens is a kid participates at 9 or 10 and hopefully scores high enough (which they should without a DQ because they had enough to get there) and then they are automatically qualified for the following year and don't have to worry too much about fitting all the specific events in again before January. Then hopefully they have a little more room in the season prior to January to try new age group events at other meets if need be.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

I get that. But does that mean a 13 year old could be competing against a 12 year old? Or, are you saying that a 13 year old that got an age 12 IMX score at 12 could compete but would have to swim the 13 year old events against other 13 year olds? (I thought neither were true. I thought you had to get the point total for age at meet)

https://www.pvswim.org/2324meet/24-52-ma.pdf

I stand corrected. OP is correct that you are eligible to swim if you got the power point total for your previous age but would swim new age if age up before, even if you don’t have the points for that slate of events. Curious if this is always true, or IMX meet specific rules.

It's an IMX meet thing. I only know of this specific meet, but a meet host could do a meet with these qualifying standards if they wanted to, but it would be very atypical. I have seen meets scored with power points instead of times, but that is very rare too.

Meets generally are open (no time standards) or have qualifying times. Those with QTs are always (in my experience) aligned with age at meet. For example, NCSA age group cuts are single age standards with bottom of the age group 9/11/13 being lower standard than top of age group. There are some funny instances where a cut is slower for an older kid at the bottom of their age group than a younger kid at the top of their age group. For example, at 12, my daughter had the 13y cut for an event, but not the 12y cut. She did not qualify and didn't swim the meet. This was several years ago, not sure if there are still any of these cases.

Sorry, that wasn’t my question. What I was asking is, is this the case for ALL IMX meets? Or is it unique to the PVS IMX meet that you can qualify with prior age point total and still swim.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

I get that. But does that mean a 13 year old could be competing against a 12 year old? Or, are you saying that a 13 year old that got an age 12 IMX score at 12 could compete but would have to swim the 13 year old events against other 13 year olds? (I thought neither were true. I thought you had to get the point total for age at meet)

https://www.pvswim.org/2324meet/24-52-ma.pdf

I stand corrected. OP is correct that you are eligible to swim if you got the power point total for your previous age but would swim new age if age up before, even if you don’t have the points for that slate of events. Curious if this is always true, or IMX meet specific rules.

It's an IMX meet thing. I only know of this specific meet, but a meet host could do a meet with these qualifying standards if they wanted to, but it would be very atypical. I have seen meets scored with power points instead of times, but that is very rare too.

Meets generally are open (no time standards) or have qualifying times. Those with QTs are always (in my experience) aligned with age at meet. For example, NCSA age group cuts are single age standards with bottom of the age group 9/11/13 being lower standard than top of age group. There are some funny instances where a cut is slower for an older kid at the bottom of their age group than a younger kid at the top of their age group. For example, at 12, my daughter had the 13y cut for an event, but not the 12y cut. She did not qualify and didn't swim the meet. This was several years ago, not sure if there are still any of these cases.

Sorry, that wasn’t my question. What I was asking is, is this the case for ALL IMX meets? Or is it unique to the PVS IMX meet that you can qualify with prior age point total and still swim.

Oh, good question! The only way to know would be to find the other meet announcements or maybe there’s information on USAS website.

I would assume so because I think it’s organized at the top (USAS) and then broken into regions. PVS is one of 13 LSCs in the Northeast meet.

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Why is the qualifying period with IMX so easy? It is basically two years and you don't have to qualify for the age you have to swim (you can qualify at the lower age). So if you are 12 and qualify and swim IMX. You can swim the following year on the same swims you swam at 12 but swim as a 13 (even though it is different events).

That is the craziest thing. Almost every other meet you have to qualify at the time for the age you will be swimming.

I thought you did have to qualify as a 13 year old if you turn 13 before the first day of the meet. I asked the question here and was told that you have to qualify at the age on the first day of the meet: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1238517.page

IMX is the exception. It’s not qualifying times, it’s a power point total across a specific set of events.

The power points also change as you age up. The power points you earned as an 11 year old in say the 100 fly are different than the points you would get for that same time as a 12 year old.

True -but if you qualify at 11 you can swim at 12. If you qualify at 12 you can swim at 13, even though you have to swim different events. So you could have never swam the 400IM and now swim it at IMX. That is silly.

i think it's by design, especially for 13/14 - you have more events for 13/14 so it's easier to make it.