Charts in scoir - how accurate?

[Anonymous]

How accurate are these? I'm worried that DS is not getting good advice from college counselor because he is in the red zone for most of the schools he's applying to with his 3.6 GPA and 1400 SATs. He does have solid ECs and is very well-liked by teachers/staff at his private school so I think solid recs...but nothing truly remarkable sets him apart. He is working on his esssys and is having his English teacher read them - he won't share them with me - but he's a decent writer. I've only met the counselor once. She seemed confident that he had a good list of schools, and I didn't question anything because I hadn't looked at the charts in scoir before. Do I reach out to counselor as son seems overconfident in my opinion? I don't want him to not get in anywhere! His ED school according to the scatterogram gives him zero percent chance of getting admitted.

[Anonymous]

The scattergrams are actual data from your child’s school. I’d say they’re about as accurate as you can get. I’m obsessed with them and have been poring over them since kid’s sophomore year. You need to find a couple schools where the purple star is surrounded by green and apply to those. Finding a safety that your child loves is the most impirtant thing in a college search.

[Anonymous]

you should be worried-this is not typical. our counselor has recommended (and insisted upon) several matches which are completely surrounded by green.

Your son could indeed very easily be shut out-there is no back door magic that is going to get him into schools when he is surrounded by red on Scoir.

I'm sorry--good luck!

[Anonymous]

What is scoir? Is this different from naviance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is scoir? Is this different from naviance?

Yes, my son's private school uses it. I also have a kid in public -- I have no strong feelings about Naviance vs. Scoir.

OP, I agree that your son needs more safeties. If he's seeing mostly red, that's not a good precedent. His stats are good for most schools -- don't let him get caught up in certain names.

[Anonymous]

I lived by the Scoir scattergrams during Senior year. They were very accurate for my child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I lived by the Scoir scattergrams during Senior year. They were very accurate for my child.

Same

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived by the Scoir scattergrams during Senior year. They were very accurate for my child.

Same

Which high schools?

[Anonymous]

OP if your kid's dot is in the RED zone on scattergrams, they will not get in. The GPA does not change a lot between end of junior and graduation: maybe 3 to 8 hundreths of a point. If they are on the border of RED and green, good LORs and ECs can help them be green, but it is still hard. Scattergrams were very accurate when there were more than 10 dots. The only time they are less helpful is if your kid has a higher GPA than any dot (aka how we knew ours was going to be VAL) and a super high score: then they are aiming for crapshoot lottery schools where that area of the grams is more red than green even for the "top" dots.

[Anonymous]

Thank you. Should I call the college counselor to ask them to advise him because he is not listening to me? He thinks I'm being pessimistic when I'm just being realistic. I don't want him to get shut out. Every school on his list right now shows red triangles all around his purple star. I'm not understanding why he thinks he will get in?! He has been meeting with his college counselor. Should I call her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you. Should I call the college counselor to ask them to advise him because he is not listening to me? He thinks I'm being pessimistic when I'm just being realistic. I don't want him to get shut out. Every school on his list right now shows red triangles all around his purple star. I'm not understanding why he thinks he will get in?! He has been meeting with his college counselor. Should I call her?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Agreed. You are looking at a school provided service, and the data doesn't match the guidance. It's appropriate to set up a call. I personally would include my child in that call, but use your judgment about what is best for your DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is scoir? Is this different from naviance?

Platforms like SCOIR and Schoolinks eat Naviance for breakfast. Naviance is living in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is scoir? Is this different from naviance?

Platforms like SCOIR and Schoolinks eat Naviance for breakfast. Naviance is living in the past.

Which, of course, explains why fcps still uses naviance.

Also how is it that ALL the scattergram in naviance have the checks and Xs showing test scores. How do they factor in the admitted students during the last few years who went “test optional” by not submitting scores? How would one even compare that data?

[Anonymous]

Isn’t Naviance self reported ? Not all kids are reporting their acceptances to every school. Scattergrams is the gpa at acceptance or at graduation? Also it’s not considering test optional kids so it’s really not accurate.