Another ICE Shooting in Minnesota

[Anonymous]

This is for the LIAR who posted a few pages back that hardly anyone was removed from the interior USA under Obama:

https://elpasomatters.org/2025/02/13/gigafact-fact-brief-most-deportations-obama-trump-removals/

They called him the DEPORTER IN CHIEF. Most deportations in the history of the country.

Why do you lie about such easily proven facts???

[Anonymous]

To summarize all we've learned in the past few weeks, according to our government, these are the new rules we must abide by:

*Carry an ID at all times and, ideally, documentation that you are a citizen when in public.

*If you're a gun owner, don't walk on the street with a gun (only criminals do that, according to the president).

*If you do go out in public with your gun, make sure you have a gun license AND ID on you at all times, even when dead.

*If ICE appears at your door and demand entry, don't ask for a judicial warrant, just an administrative one. Better yet, "cooperate" and let them right in with no warrant.

*Do not do anything that remotely resembles protesting such as standing silently on a sidewalk and filming if you are not a MAGA--any form of protesting while being a non-MAGA is automatically "domestic terrorism." If you want to protest while being MAGA, that's okay.

*Do not go to the aid of your fellow citizens when they are being beaten, thrown to the ground, pepper sprayed, or generally manhandled by ICE. Just watch in silence.

*If pepper sprayed or beaten by ICE, lie still like a corpse and don't move at all--or else.

*Don't even think about "disrespecting" ICE by sassing them. They can call you a "f'n bit**" while shooting you, but you must say nothing.

*Don't drive while black or brown. In fact, depending on where you live, just stay home if you're black or brown. It will be safer. Nothing will help you, not even being an LEO yourself.

Did I miss anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Provide a source that isn’t the feds saying he didn’t have ID.

If he didn't have his permit on him, it's a $25 fine that is refundable once you do show the permit. Not 10 shots in the back

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protest is constitutionally protected, and, in my view, a moral imperative in time like these.

But protesting what?
These protesters were protesting immigration enforcement from the get-go, before things escalated.
Now 2 people have died and the shooters have not been held accountable or shootings investigated. THAT is worth protesting.
But not lawful immigration enforcement, ugly as it may be.

Wrong. they were protesting the tactics that changed under Bovino/Noem/Trump. This wasn't an issue under Biden. ICE are the ones who excalate, because they are not trained in the tactics they are trying to employ.

The rioters escalate by insulting and obstructing our federal law enforcement agents. The rioters interfere with the performance of their jobs.

The only tactic that changed from Biden to Trump is that ICE agents are now enforcing federal immigration laws instead of nullifying it. ICE agents didn’t arrest anyone during Biden’s open borders disaster. Biden wasn’t interested in immigration enforcement, just ushering millions of illegal immigrants into the country and giving them taxpayer funded benefits.

Wrong. Their job is NOT to grab brown people off the street. Their job is to be in an office and figure out WITH DATA who is undocumented. Then, they are to see if these people are wanted for violent crimes. (Which boggles the mind if you pause here because if the police are good at their jobs, they’d already be behind bars. And, if ICE had done their jobs, they’d be on a plane upon their release.)

Then, they are supposed to get a warrant, go to their home and detain them, then provide them a hearing. If a judge rules deportation we send them back to their home country.

That IS ICE’s job.

You do realize that is exactly what they were doing here, right? Why did Pretti interfere?

From CNN: agents were conducting a targeted operation against an undocumented immigrant “wanted for violent assault,” when an “individual approached US Border Patrol officers

CNN was quoting verbatim from DHS which was lying like they always do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To summarize all we've learned in the past few weeks, according to our government, these are the new rules we must abide by:

*Carry an ID at all times and, ideally, documentation that you are a citizen when in public.

*If you're a gun owner, don't walk on the street with a gun (only criminals do that, according to the president).

*If you do go out in public with your gun, make sure you have a gun license AND ID on you at all times, even when dead.

*If ICE appears at your door and demand entry, don't ask for a judicial warrant, just an administrative one. Better yet, "cooperate" and let them right in with no warrant.

*Do not do anything that remotely resembles protesting such as standing silently on a sidewalk and filming if you are not a MAGA--any form of protesting while being a non-MAGA is automatically "domestic terrorism." If you want to protest while being MAGA, that's okay.

*Do not go to the aid of your fellow citizens when they are being beaten, thrown to the ground, pepper sprayed, or generally manhandled by ICE. Just watch in silence.

*If pepper sprayed or beaten by ICE, lie still like a corpse and don't move at all--or else.

*Don't even think about "disrespecting" ICE by sassing them. They can call you a "f'n bit**" while shooting you, but you must say nothing.

*Don't drive while black or brown. In fact, depending on where you live, just stay home if you're black or brown. It will be safer. Nothing will help you, not even being an LEO yourself.

Did I miss anything?

Don't drive. If you happen to be behind an unmarked ICE car it is "impeding"

Don't record anything with your phone

Don't honk your horn or activate your car alarm

Don't whistle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

Charlie Kirk was speaking at a College, not looking to "agitate" people trying to do their jobs. Huge difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To summarize all we've learned in the past few weeks, according to our government, these are the new rules we must abide by:

*Carry an ID at all times and, ideally, documentation that you are a citizen when in public.

*If you're a gun owner, don't walk on the street with a gun (only criminals do that, according to the president).

*If you do go out in public with your gun, make sure you have a gun license AND ID on you at all times, even when dead.

*If ICE appears at your door and demand entry, don't ask for a judicial warrant, just an administrative one. Better yet, "cooperate" and let them right in with no warrant.

*Do not do anything that remotely resembles protesting such as standing silently on a sidewalk and filming if you are not a MAGA--any form of protesting while being a non-MAGA is automatically "domestic terrorism." If you want to protest while being MAGA, that's okay.

*Do not go to the aid of your fellow citizens when they are being beaten, thrown to the ground, pepper sprayed, or generally manhandled by ICE. Just watch in silence.

*If pepper sprayed or beaten by ICE, lie still like a corpse and don't move at all--or else.

*Don't even think about "disrespecting" ICE by sassing them. They can call you a "f'n bit**" while shooting you, but you must say nothing.

*Don't drive while black or brown. In fact, depending on where you live, just stay home if you're black or brown. It will be safer. Nothing will help you, not even being an LEO yourself.

Did I miss anything?

Don't drive. If you happen to be behind an unmarked ICE car it is "impeding"

Don't record anything with your phone

Don't honk your horn or activate your car alarm

Don't whistle

And don't live or exist if you are not MAGA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious, what do you all think was going on in the head of the shooter? What could he possibly be thinking? He has been doing this 8 years and presumably hasn't killed someone in cold blood before, at least in public. Not a new recruit with no training. So what was he thinking? I am not trying to justify anything. Just purely curious.

Also, other than trying to block the appropriation bills, which doesn't sound like it would do much anyways, what else can democrats do?

And can Minneapolis bring charges against this guy (and the last guy?). I know feds are not cooperating but can they legally prosecute? It seems in this case, there is plenty of evidence to convict.

When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

It’s not a dangerous job.

Says the person typing whatever from a warm home and a cup of java.

It’s a needlessly dangerous job being done voluntarily by the otherwise unemployable dregs of society, and all for the purposes of evil.

A bubble thread of comments by posters who frequently disparage the intelligence of any type of LEO and basically don't believe in law enforcement and would never encourage their kids to become a policeperson or any other type of LEO.

Only stupid people believe that garbage you typed PP. some of us are LEO, married to LEO, related by blood to LEO, friends with LEO, and have children who are LEO. You are obviously one of those individuals who is rotten, corrupt and trigger happy. You make it difficult for the good LEOs to be respected. Bless your rotten heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

For all we know, ICE agents took his license after they murdered him.

Are you saying ICE agents would lie, steal, cover-up, or otherwise break the law?

DP they do it every day. Just look at the statement released by them after the shooting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

Charlie Kirk was speaking at a College, not looking to "agitate" people trying to do their jobs. Huge difference.

Their boot is so far up your a, that you’re can lick it without even opening your mouth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

Charlie Kirk was speaking at a College, not looking to "agitate" people trying to do their jobs. Huge difference.

Haha, sure, the professional agitator wasn’t trying to agitate anyone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

Charlie Kirk was speaking at a College, not looking to "agitate" people trying to do their jobs. Huge difference.

Kirk's entire career was agitation and creating sound bites and getting clicks. Please.

[Anonymous]

He was shot in the back, after being pistol whipped and pepper sprayed in the face at point blank range. The shots in the back were done while he was face down on the concrete and multiple other agents were on top of him. The shots were even fired over the shoulder of another agent.

Not only was the entire incident against training and protocol the shooter also put his fellow agents at extreme risk. There is not a single aspect of this event that was legal. It was a reckless execution that not only murdered a VA ICU nurse but also endangered the lives of the other ICE agents there.

This makes the redcoats at Boston Common seem like angels in comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

Charlie Kirk was speaking at a College, not looking to "agitate" people trying to do their jobs. Huge difference.

Lmao, that’s all he was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

Charlie Kirk was speaking at a College, not looking to "agitate" people trying to do their jobs. Huge difference.

Kirk's entire career was agitation and creating sound bites and getting clicks. Please.

According to MAGA, we can now blast away at anyone who agitates us.