Getting into CES lottery….

[Anonymous]

Now that my kid is in third grade, what is the process/criteria for getting into the CES lottery and making sure she gets into compacted math next year? She did get identified as “gifted” last year which means absolutely nothing. We also have external neuropsych testing showing highly gifted IQ. Want to make sure she gets all the support she needs (and yes I know the CES is a lottery but know if she gets into the lottery she’s also entitled to advanced classes at home school). Appreciate any experiences for parents who have gone through recently.

[Anonymous]

They will automatically review her data for placement in the lottery for CES. If she qualifies, she will be placed in the lottery, and then of course it's wait and see as to whether she is offered a slot. My kid has been in the lotteries for CES, MS humanities, and MS science magnets and have never had luck.

Compacted math is different. That is done at the school level. Talk to your child's ES teacher toward the end of the year to see whether they are placing her in 4/5 for 4th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They will automatically review her data for placement in the lottery for CES. If she qualifies, she will be placed in the lottery, and then of course it's wait and see as to whether she is offered a slot. My kid has been in the lotteries for CES, MS humanities, and MS science magnets and have never had luck.

Compacted math is different. That is done at the school level. Talk to your child's ES teacher toward the end of the year to see whether they are placing her in 4/5 for 4th grade.

My kiddo is in CES this year and compacted math and agree with pp. we got a letter saying what math she’d be in toward the end of third grade. Now in fourth grade she’s in CES for English, writing, SEL, science, social studies and health, but switches for math. Her ces teacher teaches 4/5 math, but she switches to a different 4/5 math teacher.

[Anonymous]

OP here thanks. I guess my question is more what data are they looking at? MAP? Anything else?

[Anonymous]

Here’s the data points from last year

https://docs.google.com/document/d/112PcYP-sj4ozBJ0LH6N8zFsVWeBslN51zdrA_dglBXI/preview#heading=h.gjdgxs

[Anonymous]

The GEC asked for the data points a few years ago because it varies by the poverty rate of the school. It needs to be at least the 85th percentile locally normed. For low poverty schools, I think it has to be around the 93rd percentile nationally, and for high poverty schools it could e much lower - somewhere around the 70th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Is it going to be lottery this year? We are at one of the few ES that has their own local CES program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it going to be lottery this year? We are at one of the few ES that has their own local CES program.

MCPS hasn’t said anything different from a lottery. By local do you mean it’s housed at your school? All of the schools are supposed to offer the advanced ELA curriculum for identified students but not all are CES. I think even for “local” students they have to enter the lottery to join the formal program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it going to be lottery this year? We are at one of the few ES that has their own local CES program.

MCPS hasn’t said anything different from a lottery. By local do you mean it’s housed at your school? All of the schools are supposed to offer the advanced ELA curriculum for identified students but not all are CES. I think even for “local” students they have to enter the lottery to join the formal program.

Our ES is one of the four ES below that has CES to serve their local population only. I believe it should be less competitive & higher chance since it is restricted to kids attending these ES, right? Is that lottery based? School has not even mentioned anything yet.


Rachel Carson ES
Piney Branch ES
Spark M. Matsunaga ES
Stonegate ES

[Anonymous]

Can you submit outside testing results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you submit outside testing results.

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you submit outside testing results.

No

Not PP. We have been submitting to IEP team private testing report ( which includes IQ result part) for a few years due to child's medical needs. IEP team appreciate those reports for their IEP goal recommendation. Is IEP a factor of consideration outside of lottery? I also
wonder if the school will consider IQ result from those reports as a consideration. May I ask IEP team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you submit outside testing results.

No

Not PP. We have been submitting to IEP team private testing report ( which includes IQ result part) for a few years due to child's medical needs. IEP team appreciate those reports for their IEP goal recommendation. Is IEP a factor of consideration outside of lottery? I also
wonder if the school will consider IQ result from those reports as a consideration. May I ask IEP team?

Your IEP team determines placement into special education programs based on your child’s needs. This may include a placement into a GTLD program, so IQ may be helpful for this.

The IEP team does not place kids into magnet programs and the magnet programs aren’t going to take outside data that the rest of the population doesn’t have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it going to be lottery this year? We are at one of the few ES that has their own local CES program.

It has been lottery based among those who qualify for both the regional and local CES -- I would expect the lottery to continue this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you submit outside testing results.

No

Not PP. We have been submitting to IEP team private testing report ( which includes IQ result part) for a few years due to child's medical needs. IEP team appreciate those reports for their IEP goal recommendation. Is IEP a factor of consideration outside of lottery? I also
wonder if the school will consider IQ result from those reports as a consideration. May I ask IEP team?

IEP, 504, FARMs recipient, and ELL all have a lower locally normed threshold to get into the lottery. But once in the lottery, they are not more likely to get selected than anyone else.