Considering Seaton, but concerned about the homeless encampment

[Anonymous]

It builds resume, social clout and in many cases generates jobs, business and money for many of the activists so it’s better for them to have these problems so they can themselves benefit from problems between housed and unhoused. Not all activists are selfless angels.

[Anonymous]

Is this thread being revived because of the murder in a homeless encampment in Thomas Circle this past Monday? Thomson Elementary has not had outdoor lunch all week because of the active investigation. The police did not communicate with the school even though there was a shooter only a few blocks away. Homeless encampments definitely pose safety concerns for neighboring schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't be "encampments" anywhere in the city. We need to stop shuffling deck chairs in the Titanic and voluntarily house people or involuntarily house/hospitalize them. The housing and housed should be heavily monitored, as the district is creating nuisance buildings with their current housing effort. Tired of seeing human faeces at bus stops and so much ill behavior being applauded and supported by the hug a homeless crowd .

These so called activists don’t have or want solution, just want to look righteous and compassionate. They aren’t helping anyone.

I think most of the activists are naive about a few things about encampments.

1. They don’te realize that many/most tent encampments are actually part of organized crime - drug dealing, prostitution, stolen goods. They may admit that the residents use drugs, but they don’t realize or admit that the tents are used to conduct organized crime.

2. They don’t realize that DC residents of all colors are very much in support of getting rid of encampments and open-air drug markets. When these activists take a stand for encampments, they believe they are on the side of an imagined black majority. But talk to any black resident near an encampment and you’ll hear a very different take.

So weird how PPs make so many odd assertion about homeless people and activists with zero evidence.

No evidence whatsoever is presented for any of these claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't be "encampments" anywhere in the city. We need to stop shuffling deck chairs in the Titanic and voluntarily house people or involuntarily house/hospitalize them. The housing and housed should be heavily monitored, as the district is creating nuisance buildings with their current housing effort. Tired of seeing human faeces at bus stops and so much ill behavior being applauded and supported by the hug a homeless crowd .

These so called activists don’t have or want solution, just want to look righteous and compassionate. They aren’t helping anyone.

I think most of the activists are naive about a few things about encampments.

1. They don’te realize that many/most tent encampments are actually part of organized crime - drug dealing, prostitution, stolen goods. They may admit that the residents use drugs, but they don’t realize or admit that the tents are used to conduct organized crime.

2. They don’t realize that DC residents of all colors are very much in support of getting rid of encampments and open-air drug markets. When these activists take a stand for encampments, they believe they are on the side of an imagined black majority. But talk to any black resident near an encampment and you’ll hear a very different take.

So weird how PPs make so many odd assertion about homeless people and activists with zero evidence.

No evidence whatsoever is presented for any of these claims.

Did you miss that the person murdered at Thomas Circle was a drug trafficker? And I've seen with my own eyes the drug dealing, fencing, and crime in the tents. Not all encampments are the same, but many of them are deeply involved in a variety of organized criminal activity. The one I'm thinking of near where I lived seemed to have been specifically set up by an operation for dealing. They effectively just moved their open-air drug market onto the corner and covered it up with a tent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't be "encampments" anywhere in the city. We need to stop shuffling deck chairs in the Titanic and voluntarily house people or involuntarily house/hospitalize them. The housing and housed should be heavily monitored, as the district is creating nuisance buildings with their current housing effort. Tired of seeing human faeces at bus stops and so much ill behavior being applauded and supported by the hug a homeless crowd .

These so called activists don’t have or want solution, just want to look righteous and compassionate. They aren’t helping anyone.

I think most of the activists are naive about a few things about encampments.

1. They don’te realize that many/most tent encampments are actually part of organized crime - drug dealing, prostitution, stolen goods. They may admit that the residents use drugs, but they don’t realize or admit that the tents are used to conduct organized crime.

2. They don’t realize that DC residents of all colors are very much in support of getting rid of encampments and open-air drug markets. When these activists take a stand for encampments, they believe they are on the side of an imagined black majority. But talk to any black resident near an encampment and you’ll hear a very different take.

So ironic that PP calls activists “naive” for not knowing “facts” that are, in fact, bizarre fantasies. In fact, all the evidence suggests close to zero correlation between the presence of homeless encampments and property crime, while homeless people are likely to be victims of violent crime, but not perpetrators.


"On average, an increase in the number of tents and structures in an area is not associated with any increases in property crime — very close to zero,"

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/24/1074577305/homeless-crime-experts

[Anonymous]

Drugs and guns are the biggest threat to any neighborhood but their are social issues as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't be "encampments" anywhere in the city. We need to stop shuffling deck chairs in the Titanic and voluntarily house people or involuntarily house/hospitalize them. The housing and housed should be heavily monitored, as the district is creating nuisance buildings with their current housing effort. Tired of seeing human faeces at bus stops and so much ill behavior being applauded and supported by the hug a homeless crowd .

These so called activists don’t have or want solution, just want to look righteous and compassionate. They aren’t helping anyone.

I think most of the activists are naive about a few things about encampments.

1. They don’te realize that many/most tent encampments are actually part of organized crime - drug dealing, prostitution, stolen goods. They may admit that the residents use drugs, but they don’t realize or admit that the tents are used to conduct organized crime.

2. They don’t realize that DC residents of all colors are very much in support of getting rid of encampments and open-air drug markets. When these activists take a stand for encampments, they believe they are on the side of an imagined black majority. But talk to any black resident near an encampment and you’ll hear a very different take.

So ironic that PP calls activists “naive” for not knowing “facts” that are, in fact, bizarre fantasies. In fact, all the evidence suggests close to zero correlation between the presence of homeless encampments and property crime, while homeless people are likely to be victims of violent crime, but not perpetrators.


"On average, an increase in the number of tents and structures in an area is not associated with any increases in property crime — very close to zero,"

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/24/1074577305/homeless-crime-experts

I saw the drug dealing and fencing and prostitution with my own eyes. It’s incredibly naive to pretend otherwise. But sure; let’s line the sidewalk in front of your house and your kid’s school playground with tents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seaton parent here. The Seaton encampment situation should not and should never have been treated as a "delicate issue."

The city allowed these encampments to fester while the school was all-virtual and was very slow to handle it properly when the school (slowly) started reopening classrooms.

Neighbors living across from these tents reported open air propane cooking, finding used Narcan sprays, evidence of drug use, etc. The tents were literally along the playground boundary.

One of the residents was arrested for an assault that occurred a few blocks away and it was determined he had been keeping a gun in his tent. Only after this happened did the city finally take action.

This fiasco was in clear violation of (reasonable) expectations for a drug and gun free school zone.

So, for everyone commenting about compassion for the homeless...kindly step out of this one.

***I will add that my student's 2021-2022 school year experience has been excellent***

I'm with you on the fact that most of this is bad, except the narcan spray? Oh no, people have been revived?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seaton parent here. The Seaton encampment situation should not and should never have been treated as a "delicate issue."

The city allowed these encampments to fester while the school was all-virtual and was very slow to handle it properly when the school (slowly) started reopening classrooms.

Neighbors living across from these tents reported open air propane cooking, finding used Narcan sprays, evidence of drug use, etc. The tents were literally along the playground boundary.

One of the residents was arrested for an assault that occurred a few blocks away and it was determined he had been keeping a gun in his tent. Only after this happened did the city finally take action.

This fiasco was in clear violation of (reasonable) expectations for a drug and gun free school zone.

So, for everyone commenting about compassion for the homeless...kindly step out of this one.

***I will add that my student's 2021-2022 school year experience has been excellent***

I'm with you on the fact that most of this is bad, except the narcan spray? Oh no, people have been revived?

it means people are regularly shooting up and OD’ing. Not exactly the “neighbors” I want in front of my kids’ school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seaton parent here. The Seaton encampment situation should not and should never have been treated as a "delicate issue."

The city allowed these encampments to fester while the school was all-virtual and was very slow to handle it properly when the school (slowly) started reopening classrooms.

Neighbors living across from these tents reported open air propane cooking, finding used Narcan sprays, evidence of drug use, etc. The tents were literally along the playground boundary.

One of the residents was arrested for an assault that occurred a few blocks away and it was determined he had been keeping a gun in his tent. Only after this happened did the city finally take action.

This fiasco was in clear violation of (reasonable) expectations for a drug and gun free school zone.

So, for everyone commenting about compassion for the homeless...kindly step out of this one.

***I will add that my student's 2021-2022 school year experience has been excellent***

I'm with you on the fact that most of this is bad, except the narcan spray? Oh no, people have been revived?

it means people are regularly shooting up and OD’ing. Not exactly the “neighbors” I want in front of my kids’ school.

Like I said, finding needles or drugs = bad. Finding narcan = good. Someone lived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seaton parent here. The Seaton encampment situation should not and should never have been treated as a "delicate issue."

The city allowed these encampments to fester while the school was all-virtual and was very slow to handle it properly when the school (slowly) started reopening classrooms.

Neighbors living across from these tents reported open air propane cooking, finding used Narcan sprays, evidence of drug use, etc. The tents were literally along the playground boundary.

One of the residents was arrested for an assault that occurred a few blocks away and it was determined he had been keeping a gun in his tent. Only after this happened did the city finally take action.

This fiasco was in clear violation of (reasonable) expectations for a drug and gun free school zone.

So, for everyone commenting about compassion for the homeless...kindly step out of this one.

***I will add that my student's 2021-2022 school year experience has been excellent***

I'm with you on the fact that most of this is bad, except the narcan spray? Oh no, people have been revived?

it means people are regularly shooting up and OD’ing. Not exactly the “neighbors” I want in front of my kids’ school.

Like I said, finding needles or drugs = bad. Finding narcan = good. Someone lived.

NP but come on- finding narcan is not ‘good’. I’m glad someone lived but overdosing on drugs is never a good thing. Using Narcan is a best case scenario.

[Anonymous]

The Thomson crossing guard's car was attacked last year when there was a nearby encampment. The police were called and had to remain while she finished her shift and the person sat in the encampment watching. People deficated on school property. The police were on the corners during dismissal. I saw plently of drug selling and petty crime. I also saw a lot of people exposing themselves. Not really a gret environment for our little ones to go back and forth to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Thomson crossing guard's car was attacked last year when there was a nearby encampment. The police were called and had to remain while she finished her shift and the person sat in the encampment watching. People deficated on school property. The police were on the corners during dismissal. I saw plently of drug selling and petty crime. I also saw a lot of people exposing themselves. Not really a gret environment for our little ones to go back and forth to school.

And then the shooting …

It’s pretty clear that at a minimum DC needs to ban encampments near schools.

[Anonymous]

Are the encampments still allowed by bowser even though the COVID emergency is over? Isn’t that how they started?

[Anonymous]

The Seaton encampment has been gone for over a year, just for clarity.