Robin Hood just ended trading on GameStop and AMC

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Anonymous wrote:You all were warned. You are now getting what you voted for. Enjoy!

Exactly. And like the dutiful servants they are, Biden, Pelosi and Schumer will step into the breach with legislation to ensure that the stock market will be safer for hedge funds in the future, with stiff fines and a decade in prison for anyone on the outside trying to burn Wall Streeters at their own game.

Whatever. Trump and his party would have done the same. Except, he would add racism, violence and bigotry as a bonus.

Big Money talks on both sides of the political aisle(see Trump tax cuts for the rich).

Give me Democrats anytime, anyday.

But if both sides continue to pander to big money, there is much worse coming for this country than Trump.

Those grapes on your plate are bitter indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:You all were warned. You are now getting what you voted for. Enjoy!

Exactly. And like the dutiful servants they are, Biden, Pelosi and Schumer will step into the breach with legislation to ensure that the stock market will be safer for hedge funds in the future, with stiff fines and a decade in prison for anyone on the outside trying to burn Wall Streeters at their own game.

Whatever. Trump and his party would have done the same. Except, he would add racism, violence and bigotry as a bonus.

Big Money talks on both sides of the political aisle(see Trump tax cuts for the rich).

Give me Democrats anytime, anyday.

But if both sides continue to pander to big money, there is much worse coming for this country than Trump.

Those grapes on your plate are bitter indeed.

Yours are so sweet that they have poisoned you. Your inability to empathize with others is pretty scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an on-going list of how Robinhood was forcing sales, even when people were in cash positions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l75pa1/robinhood_is_selling_peoples_gamestop_shares/

Robinhood was selling positions where a stop-loss order had existed overnight but was then canceled in the AM.

In short, by preventing buying, Robinhood/Interactive Brokers/Apex triggered tons of stoploss orders to be filled. Why? Because there were no buyers, aside from hedge funds and institutionals.

That whole thread is margin this, margin that.

You took one comment from a guy you don't know on a subreddit, expanded that guy to "people" to make your point. Basing a lot on one post by a guy named nivek_c

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

Do I like short selling? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Am I going to send a thousand unarmed innocents into battle to beat some short sellers? No.
Am I going to let a bunch of scammers make a fortune off of these innocents? No.
Is it illegal to run a pump and dump scheme? YES!!!

I see a grift. It's EXACTLY like the grifts I saw 20 years ago. The leaders have all bought Gamestop at low prices. They are telling other people to buy at high prices. They know for certain that the stock is not worth the price they are advising people to buy. I'm looking at this subreddit and it's all wrong.

There's no grift. There was no pump and dump. WSB said hold. They said do nothing. They saw a situation where billionaire investment professional traders had a ton of naked shorts and took advantage. The professionals screwed up and retail took advantage. Then the brokerages bailed out the hedge funds by forcing retail to sell at a loss. Last i checked, it's illegal to do a naked short. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a stock for a low price.

How can you even pretend to talk about valuations? Tesla is worth more than every other car company in the entire world combined. Apple just produced record breaking insane quarterly profits and fell in price. Stock valuations are not as pure as you claim.

Oh stop. You aren't an investor. You are a speculator. You are now telling me that stock prices mean nothing.
1. Tesla is overvalued. If I actually believed in short selling, I would do it. But I don't.
2. There is nothing illogical about a stock's price going down after a good earnings announcement.

Lol, you dont know my portfolio or my strategy. I just so happen to be a fundamentals person but that doesnt mean i cant see whats going on. I'm not telling you that stock prices are meaningless. I'm just reminded you of econ101. There is no such thing as intrinsic value, that is why the market is used as a price discovery mechanism.

There is absolutely everything illogical, on a fundementals basis, about dropping after a historic beat. But please, explain the fundemtals argument behind that.

You didn't get far in school. You confuse the idea of intrinsic value with an individual's ability to know it.

As for "a historic beat"? Why are you looking at a one day closing price? A real investor says the stock price was $25 five years ago, and today it's at $137. Also, a real investor knows that stock price is based on future, not past earnings.

DP. A real investor can figure out what is happening with GME, RH, reddit, and Melvin/Citadel etc.

Brush up on your skills.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

Do I like short selling? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Am I going to send a thousand unarmed innocents into battle to beat some short sellers? No.
Am I going to let a bunch of scammers make a fortune off of these innocents? No.
Is it illegal to run a pump and dump scheme? YES!!!

I see a grift. It's EXACTLY like the grifts I saw 20 years ago. The leaders have all bought Gamestop at low prices. They are telling other people to buy at high prices. They know for certain that the stock is not worth the price they are advising people to buy. I'm looking at this subreddit and it's all wrong.

There's no grift. There was no pump and dump. WSB said hold. They said do nothing. They saw a situation where billionaire investment professional traders had a ton of naked shorts and took advantage. The professionals screwed up and retail took advantage. Then the brokerages bailed out the hedge funds by forcing retail to sell at a loss. Last i checked, it's illegal to do a naked short. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a stock for a low price.

How can you even pretend to talk about valuations? Tesla is worth more than every other car company in the entire world combined. Apple just produced record breaking insane quarterly profits and fell in price. Stock valuations are not as pure as you claim.

Oh stop. You aren't an investor. You are a speculator. You are now telling me that stock prices mean nothing.
1. Tesla is overvalued. If I actually believed in short selling, I would do it. But I don't.
2. There is nothing illogical about a stock's price going down after a good earnings announcement.

Lol, you dont know my portfolio or my strategy. I just so happen to be a fundamentals person but that doesnt mean i cant see whats going on. I'm not telling you that stock prices are meaningless. I'm just reminded you of econ101. There is no such thing as intrinsic value, that is why the market is used as a price discovery mechanism.

There is absolutely everything illogical, on a fundementals basis, about dropping after a historic beat. But please, explain the fundemtals argument behind that.

You didn't get far in school. You confuse the idea of intrinsic value with an individual's ability to know it.

As for "a historic beat"? Why are you looking at a one day closing price? A real investor says the stock price was $25 five years ago, and today it's at $137. Also, a real investor knows that stock price is based on future, not past earnings.

DP. A real investor can figure out what is happening with GME, RH, reddit, and Melvin/Citadel etc.

Brush up on your skills.

Yes, some people on reddit are running a pump and dump scam. They have fooled people into believing this is an epic battle against hedge funds. Redditors, these are your invetment advisors:

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Anonymous wrote:So far this Reddit gambit is doing more the unite people than any politician

This!!

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Anonymous wrote:Supposedly ba whistleblower inside of Robin Hood has leaked on WSB that the White House and Sequoia Capital have pressured management at RH to block trading of GME.


Who in the WH requested this is the real question. Maybe it is Biden's new pick Janet Yellen? LO AND BEHOLD, Yellen has received huge sums of money from Citadel, one of the main firm in the middle of this all.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/01/yellen-made-millions-in-wall-street-speeches-453223


This could be a huuuuge scandal unfolding. WSB and reddit are exposing the insane corruption of our system.

WSB already debunked this as fake. The dude who posted the rumor was supposedly "low level IT employee of Robinhood" who heard the rumor 3rd hand. So dumb if you believe this without a shred of verification.

God it's like we learned nothing from QAnon.

It will only get worse if RH and the hedge funds are not punished...

Think about it for a second.

You have a system that glorifies capitalism: "Everyone can get rich if they work harder/smarter". "Money is success ". "These hedge funds are so smart that they have figured out how they can make billions of dollars betting on stocks". "If you were smarter/more hardworking, you can make millions too".

Some smart people figure out how to outsmart the "smart" hedge funds, and the hedge funds pull the rugs.

What do you expect people to think?

You should question the idea that the hedge funds pulled the rugs. This really is starting to sound like QAnon.

Exactly my point. I have zero dollars invested in GME, and I was shocked that RH can do this.

If I am already convinced that the hedge funds can do this, imagine how far gone someone with money in GME is. lol

There should be a thorough investigation into what happened, and findings should be promptly investigated.

It wasn't just Robinhood. It was dozens of broker-dealers who all happen to service big name hedge funds that were on the wrong end of this trade.

Even still, they are utterly f#cked. They sold millions of call option contracts on GME at sub-$50 strike price. The price only plunged to around $115 today. Volume was low during the purchase ban, the masses were holding. RH liquidated those who bought on margin without any warning, but it wasn't nearly enough. And this was after RH unilaterally canceled buy orders overnight for people who were paying in cash.

So crooked and corrupt. I'd love to see Steve Cohen's fat face and rotten teeth behind a prison door.

Yep! Surreal

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Anonymous wrote:Supposedly ba whistleblower inside of Robin Hood has leaked on WSB that the White House and Sequoia Capital have pressured management at RH to block trading of GME.


Who in the WH requested this is the real question. Maybe it is Biden's new pick Janet Yellen? LO AND BEHOLD, Yellen has received huge sums of money from Citadel, one of the main firm in the middle of this all.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/01/yellen-made-millions-in-wall-street-speeches-453223


This could be a huuuuge scandal unfolding. WSB and reddit are exposing the insane corruption of our system.

WSB already debunked this as fake. The dude who posted the rumor was supposedly "low level IT employee of Robinhood" who heard the rumor 3rd hand. So dumb if you believe this without a shred of verification.

God it's like we learned nothing from QAnon.

It will only get worse if RH and the hedge funds are not punished...

RH let people buy on margin. They had no choice but to protect themselves. A lot of people are going to suffer, and it's not going to be hedge funds or trading platforms or banks. It's going to be small investors who got in over their heads. The stock is not anywhere near its actual value, and no small investor should be paying more than its actual value. We can have differences in opinion as to what that value is, but it sure ain't $400. It's not $100.

Stop right here. This was only one small part of the issue.

The bigger controversy is that Robinhood, Interactive Brokers, and Apex Clearing (which services dozens of retail trading platforms) outright BANNED cash purchases and call options for specific single name equities. There was no margin involved in these trades. They only allowed sales transactions. If you ban purchases and only allow sales, which direction do you think the price will go?!?

The chairman of Interactive Brokers went on CNBC this afternoon and said he was banning purchases of GME because "we want to protect our investors" and "I think it's only worth $17."

F#cking nuts and utterly corrupt. This was all about protecting their hedge fund clients and dumping the losses on retail investors. People should literally be sent to prison for this - it's outright theft.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

Do I like short selling? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Am I going to send a thousand unarmed innocents into battle to beat some short sellers? No.
Am I going to let a bunch of scammers make a fortune off of these innocents? No.
Is it illegal to run a pump and dump scheme? YES!!!

I see a grift. It's EXACTLY like the grifts I saw 20 years ago. The leaders have all bought Gamestop at low prices. They are telling other people to buy at high prices. They know for certain that the stock is not worth the price they are advising people to buy. I'm looking at this subreddit and it's all wrong.

There's no grift. There was no pump and dump. WSB said hold. They said do nothing. They saw a situation where billionaire investment professional traders had a ton of naked shorts and took advantage. The professionals screwed up and retail took advantage. Then the brokerages bailed out the hedge funds by forcing retail to sell at a loss. Last i checked, it's illegal to do a naked short. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a stock for a low price.

How can you even pretend to talk about valuations? Tesla is worth more than every other car company in the entire world combined. Apple just produced record breaking insane quarterly profits and fell in price. Stock valuations are not as pure as you claim.

Oh stop. You aren't an investor. You are a speculator. You are now telling me that stock prices mean nothing.
1. Tesla is overvalued. If I actually believed in short selling, I would do it. But I don't.
2. There is nothing illogical about a stock's price going down after a good earnings announcement.

Lol, you dont know my portfolio or my strategy. I just so happen to be a fundamentals person but that doesnt mean i cant see whats going on. I'm not telling you that stock prices are meaningless. I'm just reminded you of econ101. There is no such thing as intrinsic value, that is why the market is used as a price discovery mechanism.

There is absolutely everything illogical, on a fundementals basis, about dropping after a historic beat. But please, explain the fundemtals argument behind that.

You didn't get far in school. You confuse the idea of intrinsic value with an individual's ability to know it.

As for "a historic beat"? Why are you looking at a one day closing price? A real investor says the stock price was $25 five years ago, and today it's at $137. Also, a real investor knows that stock price is based on future, not past earnings.

I know, I only got three degrees. I also didnt say that. You are way way over your skis on this.

By the way, speculating on future earnings is um speculation. Current earnings is what you are pretending to talk about.

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I’d love to see the details on the beating the hedges took on this.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

Do I like short selling? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Am I going to send a thousand unarmed innocents into battle to beat some short sellers? No.
Am I going to let a bunch of scammers make a fortune off of these innocents? No.
Is it illegal to run a pump and dump scheme? YES!!!

I see a grift. It's EXACTLY like the grifts I saw 20 years ago. The leaders have all bought Gamestop at low prices. They are telling other people to buy at high prices. They know for certain that the stock is not worth the price they are advising people to buy. I'm looking at this subreddit and it's all wrong.

There's no grift. There was no pump and dump. WSB said hold. They said do nothing. They saw a situation where billionaire investment professional traders had a ton of naked shorts and took advantage. The professionals screwed up and retail took advantage. Then the brokerages bailed out the hedge funds by forcing retail to sell at a loss. Last i checked, it's illegal to do a naked short. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a stock for a low price.

How can you even pretend to talk about valuations? Tesla is worth more than every other car company in the entire world combined. Apple just produced record breaking insane quarterly profits and fell in price. Stock valuations are not as pure as you claim.

Oh stop. You aren't an investor. You are a speculator. You are now telling me that stock prices mean nothing.
1. Tesla is overvalued. If I actually believed in short selling, I would do it. But I don't.
2. There is nothing illogical about a stock's price going down after a good earnings announcement.

Lol, you dont know my portfolio or my strategy. I just so happen to be a fundamentals person but that doesnt mean i cant see whats going on. I'm not telling you that stock prices are meaningless. I'm just reminded you of econ101. There is no such thing as intrinsic value, that is why the market is used as a price discovery mechanism.

There is absolutely everything illogical, on a fundementals basis, about dropping after a historic beat. But please, explain the fundemtals argument behind that.

You didn't get far in school. You confuse the idea of intrinsic value with an individual's ability to know it.

As for "a historic beat"? Why are you looking at a one day closing price? A real investor says the stock price was $25 five years ago, and today it's at $137. Also, a real investor knows that stock price is based on future, not past earnings.

DP. A real investor can figure out what is happening with GME, RH, reddit, and Melvin/Citadel etc.

Brush up on your skills.

Yes, some people on reddit are running a pump and dump scam. They have fooled people into believing this is an epic battle against hedge funds. Redditors, these are your invetment advisors:

Wow!

So you will stoop so low. I have said on several threads that Trump has really brought out the monsters in many of you.

Yours are stupid enough to borrow more stocks than are actually available to repay later. And unlike the garbage you posted, this is a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

Do I like short selling? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Am I going to send a thousand unarmed innocents into battle to beat some short sellers? No.
Am I going to let a bunch of scammers make a fortune off of these innocents? No.
Is it illegal to run a pump and dump scheme? YES!!!

I see a grift. It's EXACTLY like the grifts I saw 20 years ago. The leaders have all bought Gamestop at low prices. They are telling other people to buy at high prices. They know for certain that the stock is not worth the price they are advising people to buy. I'm looking at this subreddit and it's all wrong.

There's no grift. There was no pump and dump. WSB said hold. They said do nothing. They saw a situation where billionaire investment professional traders had a ton of naked shorts and took advantage. The professionals screwed up and retail took advantage. Then the brokerages bailed out the hedge funds by forcing retail to sell at a loss. Last i checked, it's illegal to do a naked short. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a stock for a low price.

How can you even pretend to talk about valuations? Tesla is worth more than every other car company in the entire world combined. Apple just produced record breaking insane quarterly profits and fell in price. Stock valuations are not as pure as you claim.

Oh stop. You aren't an investor. You are a speculator. You are now telling me that stock prices mean nothing.
1. Tesla is overvalued. If I actually believed in short selling, I would do it. But I don't.
2. There is nothing illogical about a stock's price going down after a good earnings announcement.

Lol, you dont know my portfolio or my strategy. I just so happen to be a fundamentals person but that doesnt mean i cant see whats going on. I'm not telling you that stock prices are meaningless. I'm just reminded you of econ101. There is no such thing as intrinsic value, that is why the market is used as a price discovery mechanism.

There is absolutely everything illogical, on a fundementals basis, about dropping after a historic beat. But please, explain the fundemtals argument behind that.

You didn't get far in school. You confuse the idea of intrinsic value with an individual's ability to know it.

As for "a historic beat"? Why are you looking at a one day closing price? A real investor says the stock price was $25 five years ago, and today it's at $137. Also, a real investor knows that stock price is based on future, not past earnings.

DP. A real investor can figure out what is happening with GME, RH, reddit, and Melvin/Citadel etc.

Brush up on your skills.

Yes, some people on reddit are running a pump and dump scam. They have fooled people into believing this is an epic battle against hedge funds. Redditors, these are your invetment advisors:

So which hedge fund or lobbyist firm do you work for?

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

ooh, "outrage" from the privileged stock buying elite. What happened, did somebody pee in your caviar?

Sorry, this argument doesn't work anymore. You can buy fractional stocks on these platforms, or buy as little or as much as you want. It's all gambling, and people who buy lottery tickets could use the same money and get an account on any platform. There is a privileged stock buying elite but there are also small investors.

Nope, not even close. A winning lottery ticket produces much higher ROI, and you can buy one at a gas station. And nobody makes a career from telling people how to buy lottery tickets.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

ooh, "outrage" from the privileged stock buying elite. What happened, did somebody pee in your caviar?

Sorry, this argument doesn't work anymore. You can buy fractional stocks on these platforms, or buy as little or as much as you want. It's all gambling, and people who buy lottery tickets could use the same money and get an account on any platform. There is a privileged stock buying elite but there are also small investors.

Nope, not even close. A winning lottery ticket produces much higher ROI, and you can buy one at a gas station. And nobody makes a career from telling people how to buy lottery tickets.

Nobody should make a career out of shorting stocks either.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed on the Money forum for days. But what I don't understand is how they can stop the trading. Is that legal?

Trading hasn't stopped.

Robinhood and other platforms aren't doing it.

Watch what happens as the late coming reddit, crowdsourced, populist short squeezers lose their shirts.

Yeah. Hedge funds lost a bunch of replaceable billions. The squeezers will lose the money that they can't replace.

What you don't get is that a ton of people don't care about the money. This is guerrilla class warfare. Redditors want to stick it to the elites who got bailouts in 2008 and who have now gotten more wealthy during the pandemic while the middle class constant continues to get trampled on. No one bailed out the middle class in 2008. This is payback.

The money irrelevant.

Having studied various pump and dump schemes around the year 2000, I would not assume for a minute that the money is irrelevant to the people sucked into this. I would put good money that the first people in are running a scam and killing a hedge fund is just a way to attract more rubes.

Are you sure you don't work for a hedge fund. Because you sound a lot like them- making stupid bets without thinking twice,

Go and do your homework before spewing your ignorance - the first people in have been in since 2019/2020.

They bought GME stocks for $4- because they believed the company was worth more than $4 dollars a share. The company got a new CEO, and enthusiasm around the company grew. The hedge funds decided that making money off the company failing was more important than anything the new CEO could offer even before the CEO had a chance to show what he was worth. So the hedge funds shorted the stock (shorted more shares than actually exist-how in the world is the legal?)

They started putting out horrible valuations after they had shorted the company to drive down the price back down to where it was before the new CEO was hired. Redditors decided to beat them at their game.

Yeah, I am quite sure. There are people buying GME at $400 a share. GME is not even remotely worth this. Meanwhile a South Korean asset managment company with a long term 5% stake just sold for over $1 billion. And there are lots of people in this pump and dump scheme who got in at $5, $10, $20 cheering on more rubes to "stick it to the hedge funds". They are watching their positions go up and up and up. They will dump their shares and someone will be left holding the bag.

Fascinating how you're looking at this but are ignoring the shorts. Are they invisible to you? Or is it just that you cannot believe that reddit might be right every once in a while?

I'm not. But who is more damaging to the small investor? The guy who says "buy Gamestop at $400" or the one who says "Sell at 11?"

Look, you're probably young and you don't remember how stock manipulation works. You can be forgiven for that. But look at the math. The market distortion by the shorts in this stock is a tiny fraction of the distortion caused by the pump and dump scheme going on.

But don't believe me. You figure out what you think is the fair, long term stock price for GME and judge everyone based on how far they are from that number.

I don't believe you. Next Monday, GME will end up somewhere between $4 and $400. And a couple hedge funds will close their doors.

Fin.

I love people who try to close discussions like that.

Next Monday, the hedge funds will still be there. But what will happen to thousands of investors who bought stock way above 11? Do you even care about them?

These hedge funds will still be there because they manipulated the market. They cheated. That is why there is outrage. Do you care about that?

Do I like short selling? No. Is it legal? Yes.

Am I going to send a thousand unarmed innocents into battle to beat some short sellers? No.
Am I going to let a bunch of scammers make a fortune off of these innocents? No.
Is it illegal to run a pump and dump scheme? YES!!!

I see a grift. It's EXACTLY like the grifts I saw 20 years ago. The leaders have all bought Gamestop at low prices. They are telling other people to buy at high prices. They know for certain that the stock is not worth the price they are advising people to buy. I'm looking at this subreddit and it's all wrong.

There's no grift. There was no pump and dump. WSB said hold. They said do nothing. They saw a situation where billionaire investment professional traders had a ton of naked shorts and took advantage. The professionals screwed up and retail took advantage. Then the brokerages bailed out the hedge funds by forcing retail to sell at a loss. Last i checked, it's illegal to do a naked short. It's not illegal to refuse to sell a stock for a low price.

How can you even pretend to talk about valuations? Tesla is worth more than every other car company in the entire world combined. Apple just produced record breaking insane quarterly profits and fell in price. Stock valuations are not as pure as you claim.

Oh stop. You aren't an investor. You are a speculator. You are now telling me that stock prices mean nothing.
1. Tesla is overvalued. If I actually believed in short selling, I would do it. But I don't.
2. There is nothing illogical about a stock's price going down after a good earnings announcement.

Lol, you dont know my portfolio or my strategy. I just so happen to be a fundamentals person but that doesnt mean i cant see whats going on. I'm not telling you that stock prices are meaningless. I'm just reminded you of econ101. There is no such thing as intrinsic value, that is why the market is used as a price discovery mechanism.

There is absolutely everything illogical, on a fundementals basis, about dropping after a historic beat. But please, explain the fundemtals argument behind that.

You didn't get far in school. You confuse the idea of intrinsic value with an individual's ability to know it.

As for "a historic beat"? Why are you looking at a one day closing price? A real investor says the stock price was $25 five years ago, and today it's at $137. Also, a real investor knows that stock price is based on future, not past earnings.

DP. A real investor can figure out what is happening with GME, RH, reddit, and Melvin/Citadel etc.

Brush up on your skills.

Yes, some people on reddit are running a pump and dump scam. They have fooled people into believing this is an epic battle against hedge funds. Redditors, these are your invetment advisors:

So which hedge fund or lobbyist firm do you work for?

None! Twenty years ago I wrote software to identify internet stock scams on Raging Bull and some of the other boards. I'm sharing expertise. Looking at the Reddit, it's just like Raging Bull except with memes and emoji.