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Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

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Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

You are confusing posters.

You.

Sounds like you’re both pushing your definitions on others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

You are confusing posters.

You.

Sounds like you’re both pushing your definitions on others.

Nope.

How can you type that when you are literally quoting text where it is explained?

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Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

You are confusing posters.

You.

Sounds like you’re both pushing your definitions on others.

Nope.

How can you type that when you are literally quoting text where it is explained?

I did not write "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know."

That was a different poster.

And I have definitely NOT insisted on any particular definitions being the only correct definitions.

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Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

You are confusing posters.

You.

Sounds like you’re both pushing your definitions on others.

Nope.

How can you type that when you are literally quoting text where it is explained?

I did not write "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know."

That was a different poster.

And I have definitely NOT insisted on any particular definitions being the only correct definitions.

But you quoted it -- and my response. Why did you not read what you quoted?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

You are confusing posters.

You.

Sounds like you’re both pushing your definitions on others.

Nope.

How can you type that when you are literally quoting text where it is explained?

I did not write "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know."

That was a different poster.

And I have definitely NOT insisted on any particular definitions being the only correct definitions.

But you quoted it -- and my response. Why did you not read what you quoted?

I'm sorry you are having trouble following the thread.

I am not insisting on any particular definitions. No one should push their beliefs/definitions on others.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you call yourself is of course your choice.

Yet, as this thread keeps proving, vast majority of people aren’t aware of the semantic hair-splitting.

TBH I truly don’t care what you call yourself. You’re just such an easy target, you get so angry and defensive.

Exactly - if you go ask them today they would NOT say "I'm an agnostic atheist". They'd either say "agnostic" or "atheist".

That's not the question - what's easy in conversation. Ask them if they are both. I they say "Atheist" ask them if they are 100% certain there are no gods. Very, very few will say yes. That makes them also agnostic.

Really, try it. Or watch a few online videos from The Atheist Experience or similar groups and programs. You'll find it very consistent.

And, for the record, if anyone says "I AM 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE NO GODS IN THE UNIVERSE", by all means, make them show evidence.

No - but I will ask people what is their definition of atheist and agnostic and let them define themselves. I don't force my opinions or definitions on others.

Exactly the argument I have been making from the beginning. I don't know which poster you are, but I assume you were not one of the ones saying "you are one or the other you can't be both" or ridiculing the cartoon and the other evidence of people who say they are both. So thank you.

And no one has to provide evidence of their beliefs.

Beliefs, never. Claims, always.

Yes, please keep your definitions to yourself.

Ahh the old "I don't like what you think so shut up" approach. Always the sign of an open-minded and enlightened person.

I don’t want people shoving religion down my throat. And I don’t want people pushing labels down my throat.

It’s not that I don’t “like” what you think it’s just that you shouldn’t be pushing it on others. Proselytizing you might say.

I'm not "pushing" anything. I am having a discussion in a discussion forum. Most of this discussion arose from this chestnut at 01/07/2020 20:07:

"These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know. They are different. A dictionary is your friend, or agnostic writers like Richard Dawkins."

No one is "pushing" anything -- just trying to get people to properly understand them. You'd do the same thing if someone posted "{your belief here} thinks {incorrect BS}." Right?

And sorry, but yes, both your posts indicate you don't like or agree and you would like people to be quiet. That goes against my values. Say what you believe and be ready to defend it! To me that is a wonderful thing.

“Getting people to properly understand them”

Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones.

You are pushing your beliefs on others, like the PP.

I detest all flavors of proselytizing.

"Meaning you think your definitions are the only acceptable ones. "? NO! I am not the one who demanded a strict definition! You are! You said "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know." You are 100% backwards.

You are the one saying your definitions are the only acceptable ones. Not me.

You.

You are confusing posters.

You.

Sounds like you’re both pushing your definitions on others.

Nope.

How can you type that when you are literally quoting text where it is explained?

I did not write "These are mutually exclusive — you can’t not believe and yet not know."

That was a different poster.

And I have definitely NOT insisted on any particular definitions being the only correct definitions.

But you quoted it -- and my response. Why did you not read what you quoted?

I'm sorry you are having trouble following the thread.

I am not insisting on any particular definitions. No one should push their beliefs/definitions on others.

Then we are in 100% agreement. Thank you for not insisting that every Atheist must believe there are absolutely no gods, and letting each Atheist express what they believe. We will get along just fine.